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Old 09-26-2016, 08:05 AM   #21
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CDash and BCx123, thanks for the reply.. Solar is very interesting, I have looked at the models that were posted in your threads and I have to say, that industry sure has had some real changes for the better. Only concern would probably be is getting the panel in enough sun for a day to make it worth wile. My wife and I choose site that usually are in the trees most of the day, so that would probably be an issue for enough charge time. At the site in Elkmont we were under some very large trees and had shade proably 90% of the day... and, that is usually what we look for as we think it keeps the TT cooler thru the day. But, I will start to look at the sites a little more close in out next outings and see if one could use an extened cable and place the panels in a place to get a clear space. But again, these really look interesting.

Our 2 Trojan 105's as I mentioned do excellent it seems, In the 4 days I still was holding 12.1 volts at the end, moved the slide in and elevated the hitch all on battery with no issues. My thoughts on the generator would be just to get a little more power when we want it to run say, the TV and other devices that are 120v. along with topping off the batteries.

So, I think like you folks, I'd still want a quiet generator for the times I just want to plug it in and use it for our 120v needs... The Champion is a lot of bang for the buck, and there sure are a lot of folks that have said they are very reliable. I can always start with one unit to see how much we would use it and pick up a 2nd one down the road if we found we would use the AC, but if were in the hot times of the year, there are plenty of parks we can go to with full hookups and with our SR. pass $10.00 per night won't break the bank!

My wife says, just get the Honda and be done with it... LOL, but if I can find an alternative for 50% of th cost of the Honda I'd probably take a chance and it sounds like the Champion would be a good move.

One question on the Champion, the new adds now claim 2000 watts, 1700 watts constant.. have you seen that? I wonder what they did to up the outbut or if it's more of a marketing thing.... I'll search if I can find some tests or reviews that speak to that..

Finally, I have read several reviews where folks have reported that the power side of the generator seems to have dropped over a few months.. They report that items that they originally would power no longer will power up... I wonder if that is something to do with the Inverter circuit? In reading the warranty if there is a problem you have to ship it back to their place I think in Los Angles for repair and that cost is not covered under warranty... I have to guess shipping a 50lb generator has to cost 50 - 75.00 and that is a chunk of change if you have to do it. I sent their warranty department a question on service and if there are any service centers with in 25 miles of us.. so we will see what they say when they respond and how long it takes them to respond.

So many things to think about... I have an older 1750 watt Coleman (pulses I think) generator from 20 years ago, it isn't a inverter generator but I've hooked it up to the trailer with out any issues and tested things like the TV.. I've never put a sound meter on it that I recall.. I just may do that.. the downside is it runs at full rpms all the time and that I believe would be annoying compared to some of the new ones that throttle back.

Thanks for the information and suggestions, beleive me, I'm following up on each one!
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Old 09-26-2016, 08:44 AM   #22
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Finally, I have read several reviews where folks have reported that the power side of the generator seems to have dropped over a few months.. They report that items that they originally would power no longer will power up... I wonder if that is something to do with the Inverter circuit?
I'm the one that ends up on other family and friend's power devices (usually pressure washers that sit a lot) and I see this commonly.

YMMV, but when I see this on a generator, it's due to a dirty air filter (or, in one case, too much oil soaking the media) that makes a unit run rich followed by a plugged exhaust spark arrester and spark plug.

Then there's the ever present gummed up carb from ethanol and the resulting water sitting in the bowl.

Some of these look brand new but have not been maintained properly. Easy to forget run hours that add up quickly.
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Old 09-26-2016, 09:06 AM   #23
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I would feel better about the champion when I read about a food cart owner that runs it for 12 hours a day, every day, for 10 years. When I read stories like that about the Champion, maybe I would take a chance. I am sure the Champions work fine out of the box. Its how they continue to work years later that I want to know.

PS. I own a Yamaha 2400ishc and love it.
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If all your looking for is to run a TV and charge battery's look at one of these. I have one that's got to be 10years old starts easy and runs quite. I got the champion to replace it when I moved from Idaho mountains to NM. Didn't need the A/C in ID most of the time, NM it's a must.
https://www.amazon.com/Kipor-IG2000-.../dp/B005QRBLNW
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I notice it does not have a 30amp plug. How do you connect to the RV?
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Sorry, I was referring to the Yamaha
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Sorry, I was referring to the Yamaha
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I use the dog bone type connector:

https://www.amazon.com/Camco-55165-P...+30amp+adapter
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M+A, thanks for that info on loss of power, that makes perfect sense, I am guessing it goes back to maintenance good point.

33RLDS, Like any new technology it takes time to "Catch Up" , but then again, I am reading quite a few reviews of folks with Champions with over 5 years success. Honda no doubt has the upper hand on long time in the market and I admit a very good loyal users. I also have looked at the service centers for the Honda and there are plenty of them around.

Ed505, I took a look at the Kippor and on Amazon it's quite a bit more than the Champion. I find in looking at alot of the market that there seems to be quite a few companies selling the same unit under their name.. One company that promotes OEM business is Powerhouse, I think that is actually the company that built the Cushman I bought 20 years ago and it seems like they build other units as an OEM builder ... but, that's just my guess.

My perception is that Champion seems to be doing a pretty good job for folks, they seem to be getting a pretty good following even here on this forum. at 50% of the cost of the Honda the Champion sure has the folks looking at it and a lot of folks buying them and honestly, not a lot of folks complaining.

I have decided to stay on the 2000watt size unit, my wife has had 2 shoulder operations and I don't think I'd want to chance having her out of the road and damaging her shoulder again by trying to help hoist a 80lb unit in the back of the truck bed... sure, at home, I"d use my tractor to lift it up.. but I don't have that at the campsite... On the good side, one can start with the 2000 watts and add a second gen set down the road if I find it is needed.

Yea, it's a hard decision, and I do appreciate all the discussion and suggestions especially for those that have or still have both the Honda and Champion. I have watched numerous YouTube videos attempting to show the Noise difference and I'm just not sure if it is like being there myself.

I just checked and Costco isn't currently offering the 2000watt unit which is too bad, I know that if your not 100% happy with your purchase they take it back and that is a great reason to buy from Costco, I don't know if any other reseller that offers that.

So, I guess I'm still up in the air but at a 50% cost savings the Champion sure seems to be making a lot of folks happy...
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Hello,
I just purchased a Honda 3000 unit in July. What did it for me was the size of the fuel tank. I have a CPAP machine that I need to sleep with and needed a generator for a weekend trip we were taking to power it. The fuel tank will run 10 hours on full and 19 on eco mode. I did not want to deal with having to refuel at night time. Another 2 points in my decision were that if I was buying a generator, I wanted it to run my 13,500 BTU AC unit if needed and I wanted something I could get a transfer switch installed in my house and run it during power outages.
Yes the 3000 is heavy (and pricey) but I lock it in the back of my truck and I run it from the back of my truck. When I am at home, it is in my garage waiting for that day I need it so I can tell my wife I told you so! LOL
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The 2000 Honda will run your a/c if you unplug your battery charger. I bought 2 Hondas because I was told 1 wouldn't do the job. Wrong! I don't use my onboard battery charger because I have solar, so the only thing the genney has to run is the a/c and it does it.
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