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Old 07-07-2016, 09:30 PM   #11
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I for one can't possibly imagine the Jayco buyout by Thor is good for the consumer. I bought a 2015 Jayco Precept 29UM. I have owned it for 17 months and I have 17,000 miles on it. I have had a phenomenal experience so far. I looked at Thor ACE and Forest River FR3....they were cheaply built by comparison. The fiberglass roof on my Jayco is unequaled at this price point. Jayco saved a little money in my model: They opted for a cheaper Ventline fan rather than a Fantastic fan, and a plastic toilet rather than a porcelain. But on all the features that REALLY matter for long term ownership of a motorhome, Jayco excelled above the competition. Likely, Thor will scrap the entire gas motorhome line since they have a more profitable, cheaper line of motorhomes to sell in their place. It appeared they were aiming for the travel trailers and the Entegra luxury motorhome line. I have a good friend who bought an Entegra Anthem recently to replace his Forest River Berkshire (which was always in the shop getting serviced, with some quite serious issues). It is an absolutely impressive coach. RIP Jayco. You will be sorely missed as financial engineering continues to enrich a very few at the expense of everyone else.
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In all of these posts there was not one mention of the crappy rubber roofs most companies use since it is so cheap. Mine failed after 5 1/2 years. Water was leaking through the membrane, not the caulking the membrane. Constant caulking checking and replacement is something we should not accept. Pay more for a good roof that will last or not buy the RV. See how long it takes the manufacturers to make some changes if they aren't selling anything.
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But, IMO, it's just wrong for any manufacturer to put "(barely) adequate" under a trailer. But Heartland is hardly the only manufacturer to do this.

I'm happy to see Jayco at least puts 15" wheels under the 24RBS.

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The Heartland Cyclone trailer mentioned is a 5th wheel. Doesn't 25% of the weight go on the pin? If so, then the axles are (barely) adequate.
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Old 07-08-2016, 06:58 AM   #14
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Typical media hype designed to get people worked up. And from some of the responses on this thread, it's working.

I knew how slanted this was going to be right in the beginning. "For example, a 360 Siphon is an effective $10 part that can eliminate RV odors, which people who actually use RVs know is a consistent problem." What odor problem? We've never had one. I've been frequenting RV forums since 2003, I've seen an occasional post about odor issues, but nothing I would perceive as a problem.

While I believe there is some truth to parts of the article, overall I don't believe this is anything new. RVs are built no better or worse than they have been in the past.
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Old 07-08-2016, 07:50 AM   #15
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There are many truths in that article.


However, it is not just the RV industry.


Everything has been heading down that road since the 1980's!


Cars have gotten more chincy every year. And tougher to service.
How about consumer electronics. I was trained in 1977-79 to repair televisions and other electronic equipment. Now, when a TV gets faulty, just send it out for recycling, there have been 3 major improvements since you bought it.


The biggest headache with RV's is that too many different manufacturers are involved in the making of each unit.
The name on the nose is just one of several. Who made the fridge? The water heater? The stove? The mattress? The finishes used on the cabinets? What about the Engine and chassis under a class A?
All of these companies wants to stand behind their product, but how can Atwood guarantee that Mr. or Ms. Line Worker didn't ding one of the fittings on the back of the water heater during installation. Who takes care of that annoying leak that isn't noticed until the first winterization?


As a DIY'er I'll deal with it. Up to and including cutting new threads in the water tank. But what happens when a less skilled owner takes it back to the dealer 3 times and it is still not right?


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I've been dealing with Jaguar cars since E-Types were still in production. One of the biggest issues with these cars was the electrics. Jaguar was buying all of its electrical components (including the harnesses) from a company called Lucas. The original deal was that Jaguar would deal with 100% of the warrantee claims. Lucas had no reason to stand behind its products because its customer would take care of the problems. When Ford took over Jaguar, it re-negotiated the deal; Lucas had to cover the cost of the warrantee repairs to it's products. Quality of the electrics went way up because Lucas was forced to care about what is was letting out it's door.


Now how does this example apply? Can RV manufacturers agree to something like the documentation levels needed for aircraft parts or ISO 9000? Probably not.


But, if there can be some accountability at all levels of the process of building these portable and self-propelled houses, it'll be a good step in the right direction.


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Look again.....I mentioned my fiberglass roof as the reason for purchasing my Jayco Precept over all of the other manufacturers. But after Thor sorts things out, that feature and the entire Jayco gas line will be scrapped, leaving only Winnebago to provide that feature at the next highest price point.
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Look again.....I mentioned my fiberglass roof as the reason for purchasing my Jayco Precept over all of the other manufacturers. But after Thor sorts things out, that feature and the entire Jayco gas line will be scrapped, leaving only Winnebago to provide that feature at the next highest price point.
I definitely agree on the non-rubber roof.
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Another reason why I'm keeping my 2000 Eagle until the wheels fall off.
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The article was written by a Negative Nelly to the extreme. Yeah, there's a lot of problems and you'd better be handy to own an RV, but all the negativity he spouts leaves me cold.
the author of the editorial runs a RV reporting business, the site is free to you and me for following the RV industry. That said he depends on advertisers to pay the bills and keep his site free for everyone to see.

He is actively involved in the RV industry daily, he is reporting what he sees and frankly is dead on with this editorial. Why would he put is livelihood on the chopping block if he wasn't passionate about what is happening in the industry.

I have followed his site for years, I don't agree with a lot of Greg's stands. However, having retired from RV sales I can identify with everything he said in this article! And yes we both own RV's!!
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Old 07-12-2016, 11:08 PM   #20
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I don't know... I take the article with a grain of salt. In my opinion, it's kind of like a sensational news story that just focuses on the bad. There are many RV's, in my opinion, that don't have problems.

One thing that shows that the writer doesn't understand RV's is this paragraph:

The Heartland Cyclone trailer mentioned is a 5th wheel. Doesn't 25% of the weight go on the pin? If so, then the axles are (barely) adequate.

Anyway, the article brings up a lot of valid points regarding declining RV quality, but I believe that the majority are just fine for the most part. If every RV were in the shop for 90% of the time during the warranty period, you'd never see any new RV's on the road.

I do believe more are built shoddily, but not to the extent the writer seems to imply.

But still, I'm glad I have an older (2011) model Jayco. It's basically been really solid.
FWIW, Greg Gerber is a full-time RVer, and has been for a while. I think it's safe to say that he knows RVs.

This being said, how much more would it =really= cost to have 6k axles under that Heartland Cyclone for a bit more safety margin? at least give the buyers the =option= to buy them if they want. Same goes for most aftermarket upgrades. One thing that I really liked about the 2015 and up Eagle HTs was that they offer the 16"/Maxxis option. IMO, it's overkill for a 10k GVW trailer, but you've at least got them offered, and at a somewhat reasonable price.

Were I a true DIYer, I'd scrap out my current FW and use the heavy pre-Lippert Zieman frame and build a whole new coach on top of it, just the way I want it. :-)

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