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Old 07-08-2016, 07:59 PM   #151
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Ha! I think we really agree fundamentally.

I try to look at this from a business perspective. I don't know Jayco's margins since they are/were a private company, but Thor is publicly traded (THO) and so we know a bit more. They're running about 15% gross profit, which is healthy, but also includes brands like Airstream which very likely have a much higher profit margin than something like Keystone. In any case, when I extrapolate and think what that means for Jayco's profit margin, and what we know about their assembly time (7 hours I see thrown about, but that's a very general estimate), I conclude that labor isn't a huge factor in the unit cost (kinda like an iPhone -- you could build it in the USA and basically leave the price unchanged, it's not labor costs that drive the decision to manufacture in China).

I guess that's a roundabout way of saying that maybe Jayco does give us a choice. What's the real difference between their different lines? The Jay Flight SLX definitely feels cheaper, so they really cut back on materials, but what about the difference between a Jay Flight and a Whitehawk? Seems like a slightly more upscale style is the bigger differentiator than construction differences. But is a Whitehawk put together better? If I were Jayco, I'd make sure it was -- by paying my assembly works a good wage and then making sure incentives are structured the right way. E.g. don't penalize for warranty claims because that's punitive and is not good for morale, but rather provide an incremental bonus for every unit that goes out of the warranty period without a claim. Also provides golden shackles to keep your employees around longer so they can get the reward from the two-year warranty report on everything they've built.

If the SLX trailers are handily outselling everything else Jayco makes, then it's a race to the bottom. Doesn't mean they can't keep making better RVs for a higher price, but with fewer sales it means the higher cost will be amortized over a smaller customer base so it'll be more significant.
Good post , but if what we read is true, well jayco can start to keep the work force for a full eight hours per example instead of allowing them to run like maniac to leave early once the production is completed for the same money ! But hey we will not reinvent the world tonight.

as long as some that , keeps hiding their head in the sand dont come here to tell me that all is ok we are heading for a conclusion on this conversation lol thanks for your time
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Old 07-08-2016, 08:26 PM   #152
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I think there are many, many, many more people that are happy with their product choice.

To bad they don't say so in Forums....you usually only hear about the far less numbers that are not satisfied.



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Old 07-08-2016, 08:40 PM   #153
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I think there are many, many, many more people that are happy with their product choice.

To bad they don't say so in Forums....you usually only hear about the far less numbers that are not satisfied.



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I'll be one of them ( happy ) in 6 months or if you prefer a full two years after delivery. All the defects will be fixed and hopefully I'll be able to make one trip free without defect. ( ok I push a little ) :-)

Some peoples are just happy to be alive, some other expect more from life and are more vocal than others.

Iam sure that there is a lots of happy customers, and I am sure that there is a lot of non happy customer that are not sharing their experience, who prefer to fix there rig themselves, instead of fighting for what they deserve, some people are just like that they prefer to give up and to go on with their life .

One thing for sure , one or many can be happy with questionnable workmanship, and the industry wants it to remain like that. For one I work too hard to see my money going to someone who dont give a damn about doing something wrong and expecting a full payments for it.

Stand tall for your right , stay firm and expect always more from the big corp. ...and on top of that smile...its just a box after all
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Old 07-09-2016, 03:17 AM   #155
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I think there are many, many, many more people that are happy with their product choice.

To bad they don't say so in Forums....you usually only hear about the far less numbers that are not satisfied.



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Here`s a happy testimony Larry. Nearly 7 years of owning our Jayco and its never been back to a dealer/shop for anything, in or out of warranty.... What few small issues I`ve had were easily remedied by me.
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Old 07-10-2016, 10:52 AM   #156
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Thor will DESTROY the Jayco reputation and products.

50 years of building a business will now just be another "crap" Rv with 8,000 quality issues shipping to the dealer.
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Thor will DESTROY the Jayco reputation and products.

50 years of building a business will now just be another "crap" Rv with 8,000 quality issues shipping to the dealer.
Didn't "destroy" AIRSTREAM..
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I'm basically fine with Jayco-level materials at this price point, but I'd be happy to spend an extra grand if they would spend 2-3 times as long putting it together so that everything lined up well, and another grand if they'd use more durable methods than staples.
I've proposed basically that a year or two ago and more recently. Jayco, or any manufacturer for that matter, could offer at additional cost, or "option," an in-house PDI and fix-up, whatever it takes to deliver a proper finished product.

The idea didn't get much support.
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Old 07-12-2016, 05:10 PM   #159
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I specifically, bought a Jayco Fifth Wheel because they "were" a family owned business known for quality, not one of giants (like Thor), who's only reason for being in the RV business is to make a quick buck.

Look what they (Thor) have done to Keystone. Prior to Keystone being consumed, I would've considered purchase of a Cougar. Since being bought-out by Thor, the Keystone Cougar has really went down-hill in quality. Sure, the Cougar still has decent "curb appeal", but look deeper and you'll find a unit assembled with sub-par materials by poorly trained (or rushed) individuals.

The two oldest RV Dealers in my area both handle some Thor products. In visiting with their Sales Staff & Service Departments, prior to purchasing my Jayco, I simply asked them which product lines were the most problematic. Without question, the Thor products led the way with more problems when the unit was received (& inspected), as well as after the customer used the unit for the first time. This included travel trailers, fifth wheels and motor homes.

I bought my new Jayco from one of these dealers and they are SHOCKED by the news of Thor taking over. They know what Thor is going to do to a good product & the related customer service, which isn't good.

Don't be fooled by statements such as: "things are going to remain the same" or "this will make Jayco a better company" or "this is good for the industry". The bottom line is that both Thor and Forrest River are trying to take advantage of the wave of Baby Boomers that are entering the RV market as they approach retirement. Once this group ages to the point that RV sales dwindle, they (Thor & FR) will start dropping their subsidiaries like a bad habit.

Look at Harley Davidson: They've thrived for the past 25 years on the backs (and dollars) of the Baby Boomers. I know, because I'm a Boomer myself and have been riding for 40+ years. Now that more and more folks my age are hanging up their helmets, Harley is in a financial crisis. They've lost market-share over the past three years, there are rumors of them being bought-out, their product quality is once again suffering (look at the massive recalls) and they don't have any bikes that appeals to someone under 40 years old.

July 1, 2016 was a BAD DAY for Jayco Owners and the health of the RV Industry.

I hope the Executives at Jayco enjoy counting Thor's money and don't lose much sleep thinking about all the loyal customers that got them to this point.

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West Texas, apparently you haven't followed AIRSTREAM since their buy out by THOR. They continue to flourish and they are now going to offer a "used factory warranty" similar to the auto industry for factory certified units. That has to say something.
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