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Old 02-15-2016, 09:10 PM   #81
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Welcome, Coloradorv. This is a great site, and contrary to its name, you don't have to own a Jayco.
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Old 03-10-2016, 01:05 PM   #82
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We probably have a quorum of at least 5 here with similar issues. Other avenues are BBB and similar organizations, Consumer Protection Agency, etc.
I have a 2016 Seismic 4212 and am having same issues along with slide issues. Isn't there a way for people to band together against this problem in a way at gets Jayco's attention? I'm thinking social media. BBB and all is fine, except it's a long play. When you start messing with Jaycos sales that will get their attention. Everyone, I imagine, goes online to research the coach they are going to buy. If there is enough mentions of Jayco in forums, Facebook posts, blogs, etc. Google will bring it up high in their search results pretty quickly.

I would suggest , based upon seeing the problems in the forums, that there are enough of us "suffering" form not only this problem with the leveling jacks but also the big slides. I personally have had 3 motors installed in my slides and they are broke again. Despicable!
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Dean I'm sorry to hear you're going through this. Why do they keep replacing the motors in that Schwintek? Interested to hear details on issues with both. I've been through ALOT with this issue on my 2014 so I can maybe shed some light.

FYI: Lippert has released a new hydraulic leveling system similar in design to the Bigfoot. It has self contained reservoirs and pumps in each Jack unit so there are no lines or tanks or plumbing etc to go wrong. Also with this design you can raise a leg if it won't come up with an override unlike the regular plumbed system. My point is, this is the Achilles heal of the Seismic, the electrical system. I believe it needs a hydraulic and with this system out it will be on my list of upgrades at some point in 2016. Well worth the investment. As for the large slide, there's slot of variables, having a good dealer and talented and aggressive techs is key to over coming this issue. I may be able to provide some value added info based on my experiences if you share your story with these.

At the end of the day we purchased a unit that uses electric slides and jacks and we looked past most other brands with hydraulics or cables. That being said though, for 6 figure rolling homes, these should work without these big headaches, I agree. Sometimes the stress associated with these issues is worse than the issues themselves.
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Old 03-10-2016, 11:02 PM   #84
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I am from the Open Range site and we too have had same issues with the electric lippert auto level, just a nightmare.

This is the 1st remedy I have seen that is reportedly working. Great post. I am going to try the truck to fifth wheel fix this weekend.

Curious how did it work out for you?
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Old 03-18-2016, 05:07 PM   #85
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P25CT. After reading your posts I switched to a startup/marine battery. Which has start up amps and marine capabilities, also called dual purpose.

With the 1000 starting amps available I do not get the error messages I was getting, the jacks motors sounds good as well as the slide motors, as if they are fully supplied with juice, compared to the weak sounding from deep cycle marine batteries.

I still plan on getting a power pole for the truck like you have. If you would consider posting a picture of yours that would be so greatly appreciated.

To bolster your theory, my inlaws have a 34 ft fifth wheel with elec lippert stystem and they have had no issues, however a co-worker just brought home a 42 ft fifth wheel with elec lippert and had issues with it from day one. So I agree with your statement, lighter units are fine with elec jacks but the 40 ft plus big rigs have issues.
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Old 03-19-2016, 02:04 AM   #86
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P25CT. After reading your posts I switched to a startup/marine battery. Which has start up amps and marine capabilities, also called dual purpose.

With the 1000 starting amps available I do not get the error messages I was getting, the jacks motors sounds good as well as the slide motors, as if they are fully supplied with juice, compared to the weak sounding from deep cycle marine batteries.

I still plan on getting a power pole for the truck like you have. If you would consider posting a picture of yours that would be so greatly appreciated.

To bolster your theory, my inlaws have a 34 ft fifth wheel with elec lippert stystem and they have had no issues, however a co-worker just brought home a 42 ft fifth wheel with elec lippert and had issues with it from day one. So I agree with your statement, lighter units are fine with elec jacks but the 40 ft plus big rigs have issues.

Which make and model battery did you go with and how many? AGM? Size 27?
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Old 03-19-2016, 02:56 AM   #87
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I bought 2 of the following.

Duracell Ultra 34 AGM Battery Dual Purpose (Starting/Cycling) BCI Group 34M Marine and Boat
SLI34MAGM


Brand: Duracell Ultra
Voltage: 12
Format: BCI Group 34M
Lead Acid Type: Dual Purpose (Starting/Cycling)
Cold Cranking Amps: 775
Battery Type: Premium
Capacity 20hr: 55AH
Chemistry: Lead Acid
Cranking Amps: 955
Lead Acid Design: AGM
Made in the USA: True
Maintenance Free: Yes
Marine Cranking Amps: 955
Product Category: Marine/RV
Product Sub Category: Starting Lighting And Ignition
Terminal Type: DT, SAE/M8 Stud, SAE/M8 Threaded Post, WNT
Usage: RV
Warranty: 48 Month Full Replace, 0 Month Pro Rated
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Old 03-19-2016, 05:54 AM   #88
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Leveling Problems

Perfect. Going to go and buy two or three of them myself before I take her out of storage. Nice find. They have them in stock at Batteries Plus and I can order them online and pick them up save 10% and they have a 10$ rebate. Not bad. AGM maintenance free so that's a huge plus.

Just want to make sure the on board charger will still be fine with charging and monitoring a battery other than a deep cycle. It should be.

I'll get some photos up of the Powerpole as well. Powerpole also useful for running inverter reefer for long trips without killing the batteries.

Im going to talk to my dealer about a price this season to upgrade the electric system to the new self contained 6pt Hydraulic. If not this season definately next. Either Bigfoot or the new Lippert. Lippert will most likely need a year to get the bugs out.

As far as this system working better on smaller and lighter 5ers, indeed the laws of Physics are alive and well.

Last season used the yellow blocks and trimmed it out with the electric. It's hokey for a big rig like these at this price point but I got used to doing it and it's less stress for me than hoping and praying and failing and retrying, etc. the wheel covers usually cover the blocks so it's not soooooo embarrassing
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Old 03-19-2016, 10:18 PM   #89
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The lippert auto level system has 35 amp Maxifuse.

Auto parts stores, walmart, even local electrician store do not carry them.

You might want to consider buying a back up fuse.

Had to get mine online, amazon does not have the right ones.

Mouser electronics in Texas carries them.

MAXI 32V Series - MAXIŽ Slo-BloŽ 32V Automotive Blade Fuse

AKA Minifuse 32v 35 amp.

Part number is 0299035.

Mouser.com sells them, just put that part number in their search field. Also on their site is a picture of the fuse.
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Old 03-20-2016, 06:14 PM   #90
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P25 did you price the installation cost of the big foot?
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