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Old 08-15-2016, 06:18 PM   #11
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Well I'm casually looking as well.
Both the Precept and the Greyhawk have the same Ford v-10 engine, and the precept weighs more, so Greyhawk should tow more. Pretty sure I saw one at a dealer with a 7500 lb hitch. Check the math.


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We just purchased a 2017 Redhawk XK and it does have the 7,500 towing capacity. I believe this was a change with the 2016 Ford Chassis.
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Old 08-15-2016, 07:20 PM   #12
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New 31ul have 228 wheel base and 22.5in wheels .
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:03 PM   #13
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If you want to safely tow more than 5,000 pounds and up to 10,000 you should choose a Jayco Seneca.

We have owned two class As and a C.
There is nothing protecting you from harm in a class A such as the truck front end, airbags, and an engine designed to break away and down in the event of a crash.
We haven't looked at any Seneca's but we did check their floor plans and prices. I agree 100% with everything you stated but they are just a little out of our price range. We may have to just settle on towing the trike and leave the car at home if we stick with pursuing a Precept.
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Old 08-15-2016, 08:07 PM   #14
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I have no issues driving my Precept, Actually I rather enjoy it, You cannot beat the view! But I have the 228 wheelbase. I believe the 31UL is 190.
I still have to drive both. The 190" wheel base concerns me a little. While traveling the last several years pulling our fiver I have witnessed some shorter Class A's having problems on windy days. Guess I need to drive the Precept to get a "feel" for how it does.
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Wheelbase alone means nothing until you factor in the full length of the coach. Wheelbase/Coach length (inches) = Wheelbase ratio.

>56% usually lends itself to more stability while under way. Usually.
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Old 08-16-2016, 12:23 PM   #16
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Exterior Length32' 2"Exterior Width101"Exterior Height with A/C12' 4"Interior Height84"Wheel Base190"
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Old 08-16-2016, 12:24 PM   #17
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That was from the Jayco 2017 Precept 31UL site. Although I was told at Jayco In late May on a factory tour that all the new Precepts were to have the same wheel base. Not so sure it was correct.
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So 32*12+2 = 386

190/386 = 49.2%. I just don't see how that's conducive to a safe driving experience.

That's just me though; I'd be awfully wary.
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Old 08-16-2016, 01:19 PM   #19
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Of the two class A's we've had and now the Seneca class C it is my opinion that none of them come from the factory with the best possible level of driveability.
On our first class A (gas 36') I added front and rear trac bars, Koni shocks and a Safe-T-Plus. We didn't keep the second class A (diesel 40') long enough for a full assessment or time enough to fix the handling issues--I did add 8 Bilstein shocks to the 8 air-bag chassis and a Safe-T-Plus, but it needed more. There's a 40+ pages of discussion over at IRV2.com with different ideas about how to make it better.
With our newest '08 Jayco Seneca (diesel 35') I've added front and rear trac bars, front sway bar (factory rear), Koni shocks, Safe-T-Plus, and Sumo Springs in place of the factory bump stops.
The reality is that the Seneca now drives and handles like a large SUV. Read; one finger driving possible.
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I would take your post as something very much in the pro 'C' column, at least so far as the Jayco Greyhawk is concerned. After adjusting the Hellwigs, my rig is a dream to drive as rigged stock from the factory. The whole J-Ride thing really helps on my Greyhawk. Coming from a Minnie Winnie that was 9 inches longer on the same chassis, its night and day different.

Not to say that's the only thing one should consider (obviously), I would just offer that there may be more suspension/chassis work needed on some of these A's to make them drive like one would expect them to off the lot.
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