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Old 10-04-2016, 11:23 AM   #31
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If you use the jeep tail lights you simply install the relay (20 minute job). This relay will disengage your brake lights from the jeep when plugged in to your motor home.


On another note: Had my first real scare while towing. I was on a stretch of road where we had four lanes on my side of the road; left turn lane, left lane, middle lane, right lane.

I had made my way to the left lane, in about a mile I was going left onto an interstate. Cruising the speed limit (45) nothing was in front of me for at least a quarter mile, about 100 to 150 feet in the middle lane was this small red car also cruising at 45. Out of no where this red car merges left in front of me, thinking no problem lets just keep moving. But no, they make the left lane (my lane) and very suddenly come to a complete stop! She wants the far left turn lane (into a shopping area) and makes a hard stop in front of me! I was very hard on my brakes! I stopped so close to her rear end that I could not see her rear bumper! Thank goodness for a working toad braking system.

I could actually feel the toad pulling on my motor coach in this panic stop situation. Needless to say I blurted out a few four letter words.

In talking to my DW after she says, you know if we would have rear ended her it would have been our fault. I say lets get a camera for our motor coach, I can't believe a movie showing her pulling over quickly and stopping so quick wouldn't hold weight in a court room.

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If you use the jeep tail lights you simply install the relay (20 minute job). This relay will disengage your brake lights from the jeep when plugged in to your motor home.


On another note: Had my first real scare while towing. I was on a stretch of road where we had four lanes on my side of the road; left turn lane, left lane, middle lane, right lane.

I had made my way to the left lane, in about a mile I was going left onto an interstate. Cruising the speed limit (45) nothing was in front of me for at least a quarter mile, about 100 to 150 feet in the middle lane was this small red car also cruising at 45. Out of no where this red car merges left in front of me, thinking no problem lets just keep moving. But no, they make the left lane (my lane) and very suddenly come to a complete stop! She wants the far left turn lane (into a shopping area) and makes a hard stop in front of me! I was very hard on my brakes! I stopped so close to her rear end that I could not see her rear bumper! Thank goodness for a working toad braking system.

I could actually feel the toad pulling on my motor coach in this panic stop situation. Needless to say I blurted out a few four letter words.

In talking to my DW after she says, you know if we would have rear ended her it would have been our fault. I say lets get a camera for our motor coach, I can't believe a movie showing her pulling over quickly and stopping so quick wouldn't hold weight in a court room.

Steve
No guarantees in a courtroom, but having a video is lots better than having no video.
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Old 10-04-2016, 03:54 PM   #33
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If you use the jeep tail lights you simply install the relay (20 minute job). This relay will disengage your brake lights from the jeep when plugged in to your motor home.

Steve, Tell me about your relay. Did you also add a lights wiring kit? Just point me in the right direction please.


On another note: Had my first real scare while towing. I was on a stretch of road where we had four lanes on my side of the road; left turn lane, left lane, middle lane, right lane.

I had made my way to the left lane, in about a mile I was going left onto an interstate. Cruising the speed limit (45) nothing was in front of me for at least a quarter mile, about 100 to 150 feet in the middle lane was this small red car also cruising at 45. Out of no where this red car merges left in front of me, thinking no problem lets just keep moving. But no, they make the left lane (my lane) and very suddenly come to a complete stop! She wants the far left turn lane (into a shopping area) and makes a hard stop in front of me! I was very hard on my brakes! I stopped so close to her rear end that I could not see her rear bumper! Thank goodness for a working toad braking system.

I could actually feel the toad pulling on my motor coach in this panic stop situation. Needless to say I blurted out a few four letter words.

In talking to my DW after she says, you know if we would have rear ended her it would have been our fault. I say lets get a camera for our motor coach, I can't believe a movie showing her pulling over quickly and stopping so quick wouldn't hold weight in a court room.

Steve
All the more reason to insure the toad brakes work well with the TV, glad there was no damage. I picked up an RVi2 brake system from ebay so the only thing left is the wiring. @Dustdevil has been a big help and great resource, just need to finalize the decision on which way to go with lights wiring.

Spent today unloading the fifth wheel and getting ready for the trade in. Thursday is our big day
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Page two, post 13, I included links to the relay and wiring kit I used. Very simple, just take your time.

Double check my links to make sure they fit your model year.


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Steering wheel lock & brake lights

Finally got around to checking the Wrangler today. The steering wheel does not lock so am I to assume that I don't need to turn the ignition on to the first position?

The brake lights also activate without the key.

@SteveL, I'm going to call Hopkins and order a 2007 lighs kit and relay, probably late next week after we get back from our shakedown cruise in the 35S.

Thanks again for your help.
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Finally got around to checking the Wrangler today. The steering wheel does not lock so am I to assume that I don't need to turn the ignition on to the first position?

The brake lights also activate without the key.

@SteveL, I'm going to call Hopkins and order a 2007 lighs kit and relay, probably late next week after we get back from our shakedown cruise in the 35S.

Thanks again for your help.
You should not have to keep the keys in the ignition, as long as you have a power outlet you can use with no keys turned on. My Wrangler has one of each. One is only powered when the key is "on".

If the brake lights activate without the key, then your aux braking system will illuminate the Jeep brake lights using the Jeep system. If you're using a secondary set of tail/brake/turn lights in the Jeep taillight housings, powered by the motorhome system, then you will have to check to see that you can still clearly see turn signals even with the Jeep brake lights on. It's not generally recommended, but some are more visible than others. Pro tip: Also check visibility of turn signals with both motorhome-to-Jeep tail and both sets of brake lights on.
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You should not have to keep the keys in the ignition, as long as you have a power outlet you can use with no keys turned on. My Wrangler has one of each. One is only powered when the key is "on".

I have a power outlet that is hot without the ignition on so should be OK there.

If the brake lights activate without the key, then your aux braking system will illuminate the Jeep brake lights using the Jeep system. No plans to use a secondary set of lights, I will be using the Jeep lights controlled by the motor homeIf you're using a secondary set of tail/brake/turn lights in the Jeep taillight housings, powered by the motorhome system, then you will have to check to see that you can still clearly see turn signals even with the Jeep brake lights on. It's not generally recommended, but some are more visible than others. Pro tip: Also check visibility of turn signals with both motorhome-to-Jeep tail and both sets of brake lights on.
Great idea, I'll do that once we get it all hooked up, thanks.
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Great idea, I'll do that once we get it all hooked up, thanks.
This is essentially what I did. It requires a bit more careful planning and you need to tuck everything up out of the way like the Jeep factory does, and secure all the connectors. But it's far cleaner and still does not affect the Jeep wiring or computer if you use the wiring kit with diodes and the brake circuit relay.

You can sometimes get away without it, but I added a custom battery charging circuit so the Jeep battery stays topped off while towing, so the aux braking system doesn't suck the battery dry. Just custom power wiring with circuit protection, large enough wire.
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If the brake lights activate without the key, then your aux braking system will illuminate the Jeep brake lights using the Jeep system. If you're using a secondary set of tail/brake/turn lights in the Jeep taillight housings, powered by the motorhome system, then you will have to check to see that you can still clearly see turn signals even with the Jeep brake lights on.
If you let the brake system activate the brake lights it does work, but you will not have turn signals or night time tail lights on your toad.

If you wire from the coach to the jeeps existing tail light circuit (such as the Hopkins kit with diodes) you get brake lights, night time tail lights, and turn signals, all exactly the same as driving the toad (no third brake light over the spare tire, this one doesn't work in this set up). With this set up you must install the relay *if* your brake lights work with the key off.

The other way is to add another lamp into each tail light housing and connect this to your coach. I didn't choose this option because the two I saw in operation were no where near as bright as the factory jeep tail lights. It could have just been the two I saw.

Oh there is one more option, to add either magnet mount or permanently mounted auxiliary tail light.

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If you let the brake system activate the brake lights it does work, but you will not have turn signals or night time tail lights on your toad.

If you wire from the coach to the jeeps existing tail light circuit (such as the Hopkins kit with diodes) you get brake lights, night time tail lights, and turn signals, all exactly the same as driving the toad (no third brake light over the spare tire, this one doesn't work in this set up). With this set up you must install the relay *if* your brake lights work with the key off.

The other way is to add another lamp into each tail light housing and connect this to your coach. I didn't choose this option because the two I saw in operation were no where near as bright as the factory jeep tail lights. It could have just been the two I saw.

Oh there is one more option, to add either magnet mount or permanently mounted auxiliary tail light.

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