View Poll Results: Personal Lite and ultra lite constructions experience
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Delamination of walls and or floors within 5 years of ownership
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No delamination of walls or floors after 5 years and more of ownership
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No delamination within 5 years
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Delamination after 5 years
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01-14-2015, 12:32 PM
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As of this post 4 people has voted that they have Delamination of walls and or floors within 5 years of ownership, this may seem very insignificant to you, but if any of these trailers was out side of the warranty. What do you think it would cost to have them fixed? The 4 people that voted are just people that’s on this fourm, how many people nation wide do you think has this same problem? Who will be # 5 ? Not me, I have a stick and tin trailer.
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01-14-2015, 04:18 PM
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529 looked at the poll .....
11 votes....(7) 63% had no delam 5 after years and up (4) 36% experienced the problem.
I dont know what to do with the 518 members who didn't vote ?
Anyway I was expecting better response to a poll like that that,I've raised my expectation way too high, despite that its fairly easy to vote ...but hey no wonder the industry can surf over the wave of peoples asking for better quality...
anyway thanks to the participant
Moderator, you can close this topic if you wish, thanks
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01-14-2015, 05:09 PM
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It is likely many of those that viewed the thread were "guests" (just about any given time there are many more guests viewing the forum then logged on members) who could not vote or were members that do not own a liteweight unit so had no reason to vote. Others just do not participate in polls for whatever reason. I once noted that we had over 10,000 members but only a few hundred had ever voted in the tow vehicle poll of that time. Clearly more folks then that owned tow vehicles, but not everyone views or votes in the polls.
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01-14-2015, 05:16 PM
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Crabman, I've noticed that too on other boards, not only here, but its always strange to me when peoples refused to share their knowledge or experience to others. Maybe its not the case here but its certainy the case on the TV poll that you were mentioning.
Thats the only weapons we have against the big outfit ...but hey, we need all kind of peoples to keep this big blue ball turning :-)
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01-14-2015, 05:32 PM
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I have a HT 5th wheel, will be going on fourth season with it this year, no signs of delamination but I have gone through about 4 tubes of sealant repairing the seams before they became a problem. I could see a lack of maintenance causing leaks in a matter of 5 years being a real problem.
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01-16-2015, 07:24 PM
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I have owned my trailer for only 2 years, no delamination.
Couldn't vote because I don't fit either choice.
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01-16-2015, 08:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nighthawk 96
I have owned my trailer for only 2 years, no delamination.
Couldn't vote because I don't fit either choice.
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Like Nighthawk, I don't fit either choice so I didn't vote.
My take on the poll - Member of JOF that could read, but had no vote:
> Anyone that didn't/doesn't own a trailer.
> Anyone with a 'stick & tin' trailer no matter how long they've owned it.
> No delamination, but either didn't own, or haven't owned, the trailer for at least five years - regardless of the age of the trailer.
(I didn't review the entire thread. I apologize if these were already mentioned.)
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01-16-2015, 08:55 PM
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I realized after the fact that many peoples couldn't vote, so be it for my poll my bad I screw up there.
My point is that we had two members here who werent happy with their trailer, and I can undersand why they were sharing on numerous occasions their opinion and experience and I thanks them very much for that.
However their story was like only one side of the coin, and I wanted to get some feedback from other members to see if the experience shared by the unhappy members was the experience of the majority.
I should have found a way to record the amount of ultra lite or lite owner that visited the thread....anyway the result of this scientific poll.....showed that for this time the problem isn't catastrophic since 71% of the voters never experience delamination after 5 years and up...thats the other side of the coin I was looking for but ( 28% had problem within 5 years thats sad )
My take on that is that it is safer to go with stick and thin for the long term but since peoples are trading often, fiberglass is the way to go for the look, ease of washing waxing to avoid dent and to save on gas. All valid point .To each is own :-)
Thanks to the one who participate :-) thanks also for not beating me over my poor frenchglish
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01-16-2015, 08:59 PM
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We have a 2015 Ultra-Lite White Hawk 25BHS that is only a few months old so I can't vote in the poll but I am interested to hear if many owners are having lamination problems. The laminated walls, light weight and floor plan sold us on that model.
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01-16-2015, 09:51 PM
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Moisture/Temperature and lack of maintenance on the owner. So guys, maintain your TT a bit closer. We all are ok.
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01-16-2015, 10:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by homer1959
anyway the result of this scientific poll.....showed that for this time the problem isn't catastrophic since 71% of the voters never experience delamination after 5 years and up...thats the other side of the coin I was looking for but ( 28% had problem within 5 years thats sad )
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Is it possible that some of the 71% voters don't have a fiberglass trailer? I've seen ultra lite's with aluminum sides, if someone has one like that they could have voted No delamination of walls or floors.
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01-16-2015, 10:44 PM
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LOL You really dont want to see the fiberglass to have some chance to look not too bad hey LOL
I'm just kidding
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Originally Posted by Hitch Pin
Is it possible that some of the 71% voters don't have a fiberglass trailer? I've seen ultra lite's with aluminum sides, if someone has one like that they could have voted No delamination of walls or floors.
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01-16-2015, 10:47 PM
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The problem with the low number of votes is that only 5+ year old RVs get to vote at all. Many of us have RVs that are newer and so we couldn't vote using either choice because we don't fit the age stipulation.
My trailer is just over 2 years old and so far there has been no delamination but who knows if that will change by the time I hit 5+ years.
Now... ask me about fade on the front cap. UGH... I maintain the heck out of my trailer and have waxed the front a number of times but it didn't matter. Definite fade on the upper most section of the front cap. So irritating.
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01-16-2015, 10:55 PM
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FYi I'Ve asked the moderator to see if I can add more option to the poll, im waiting for their response , you will get no delamination within 5 years and you ll get delamination after 5 years we should be covered after that
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01-17-2015, 09:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by homer1959
LOL You really dont want to see the fiberglass to have some chance to look not too bad hey LOL
I'm just kidding
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It's not that, I know by what I've seen with my own eyes, the % of fiberglass trailers I've seen around the campgrounds with delamination problems would sure be a lot higher than what the poll shows.
I'm sure a lot of the trailers I see with delamination problems are over five years old but some are not. Knowing what I paid for the thing I would hate to think that it my come apart in five years, or as far as that goes even less than five years. I'm sure there are a lot of people that can't afford to trade every two to five years, so a delamination problem would be a big set back, it would cost them a arm and leg to have it fixed, 99% of the time when this happens you can't fix it yourself.
When I talked to the man at jayco about the delamination on my trailer, I ask him for the heck of it, I ask how much it would cost to have it fixed if it was not under warranty, he said $3,500.00 to $4,000.00 Now you see why I don't want anything to do with the fiberglass again.
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01-17-2015, 09:36 AM
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I fully understand your position and yes I beleive its somewhat safer to go with the stick and tin but im not ready yet to beleive it is all that bad for fiberglass....Ill bite my tongue if i come to the same conclusion than you in the future.
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01-17-2015, 11:17 AM
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Guys you have new choices for the poll, if you haven't voted go ahead Im eager to see the result :-)
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01-18-2015, 08:02 AM
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And how many "stick and tin" trailers have rotted out walls or floors that no one has noticed yet?? This can go on and on, personally, I'd rather just go camping
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01-18-2015, 08:19 AM
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I'd rather just go camping = Amabee
Bravo LOL
When one focus at the trees he often miss the forest
thanks Amabee after all its just camping
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And how many "stick and tin" trailers have rotted out walls or floors that no one has noticed yet?? This can go on and on, personally, I'd rather just go camping
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01-18-2015, 10:13 AM
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I have not voted because I went with Stick and Tin -- twice.
I made this choice exclusively because of the risk of delamination. Like others I have seen far too many fiberglass sidewall trailers with issues. Although I agree fiberglass looks great initially, my experience in the CA sun is after a few years is the fibeglass sides fade and chalk which I also didn't want to deal with. Maybe the newer trailers with gel-coat fiberglass, most fiberglass sidewalls still are NOT gel-coat, will look better longer but with all recent reports of front cap fade after 6,10,12 months I'm not so sure.
Here's the thing though -- it doesn't matter what any poll says or "internet stranger" shares, people are going to get what they want. If they are fortunate to have no issues over the life of the trailer great for them. If they do have trouble they will be very quick to blame the manufacturer and construction process, not that they ignored others experience.
Manufactures have very little incentive to change or improve. They are once again selling record amounts of RV and most folks have just come to accept the lack of detail paid during the manufacturing process. Plus this is profit based business, like it or not profitability will drive decisions. I am truly amazed the amount of luxury and ammenities they pack into a relatively low cost. I agree that $20k, $30k, $50k etc is s lot of money, but look at how much is bring provided in exchange -- essential a house.
Additionally, many folks don't hold to units for that units useful life. With all brands once the original owner sells it or trades it in on a new unit, that manufacture is off the hook regardless of what happens. Therefore things like delamination, soft floors, faded and chalking sidewalls quickly become the consumers issue not the manufacture.
I hope everyone enjoys their RVs and have no issues. But I made my choice of stick and tin based on my experience and value system -- that doesn't mean someone else making a different choice is wrong.
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