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Old 07-14-2016, 10:55 AM   #41
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But it is a truck, not an SUV, or a car. But manufactures know that the younger generation especially want or feel entitled and want every feature and every luxury,
Not just younger generation. I'm well over 50 and I want to be comfortable when I travel. Whether it's just to pick up a load of gravel or take a trip. I had plenty of stripped down vehicles when I was young, why should I settle for bottom end when I can be comfortable? It's also the same reason I don't sleep on the ground in a tent anymore. Been there, done that. I have nothing to prove to anyone.
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:58 AM   #42
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But a manual
Is so much fun
I understand how today's automatics are so much more efficient with nothing much that wears out but the day I can't drive a car (not a tv) with a manual will be the day I'll give up driving
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Old 07-14-2016, 10:59 AM   #43
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Look, I'm as nostalgic as the next guy. I love old cars, but I don't want to drive them every day. Today's vehicles are light years better than the junk they were selling us 30 or 40 years ago.
Very well said! I had a '79 'Burb' when I was in HS. I LOVED that truck. Only thing wrong with it was a little blow-by, but I could've fixed that in my driveway if I really wanted to. Had plenty of space to just climb up in the engine bay and turn some wrenches! Well, that and the AC didn't work all that well...

But then, that was high school. Now I'm what they call an "adult" (psh, whatever) and I have different priorities. And a career where I make money to spend on things like a nice-riding truck with cold AC and satellite radio so I can listen to Luke Bryan or Jake Owens out at the ranch where I get no cell signal or radio signal! And a family whose safety is in my hands every time we go somewhere (in both vehicles).
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Old 07-14-2016, 11:05 AM   #44
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Not just younger generation. I'm well over 50 and I want to be comfortable when I travel. Whether it's just to pick up a load of gravel or take a trip. I had plenty of stripped down vehicles when I was young, why should I settle for bottom end when I can be comfortable? It's also the same reason I don't sleep on the ground in a tent anymore. Been there, done that. I have nothing to prove to anyone.

The tow vehicle for my camper is a '96 Chevy dually. It's been paid for for a long time, and I really can't justify spending 60 or 80 grand for a new one, given that I only two the camper a couple thousand miles per year.

Having said that, I'd love to be pulling this rig with a new truck. The seats in today's trucks are much more comfortable than in my '96. I'd love a truck that doesn't rattle. I'd like to have satellite radio in my truck. I wish I hadn't had to put freon in my truck just before every trip for the past three years. Etc, etc.

Like you, I drove lots of crappy vehicles in my youth. I've paid my dues. I also don't have anything to prove to anyone. Give me the luxuries.

Maybe I could trade this '96 to somebody that looks forward to the driving experience for the luxurious new truck he hates.
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Yep, had my share of "unloaded" vehicles. Vehicles without a/c. Without power steering..without a FM radio. Manual windows and door locks. Stupid dimmer button on the floor board. I too have been there and done it. That's why in 2005, I bought a brand new F150 Lariat..loaded to the gills. Now, I've reverted back to an XLT but it still has everything I need.
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The tow vehicle for my camper is a '96 Chevy dually. It's been paid for for a long time, and I really can't justify spending 60 or 80 grand for a new one, given that I only two the camper a couple thousand miles per year.

Having said that, I'd love to be pulling this rig with a new truck. The seats in today's trucks are much more comfortable than in my '96. I'd love a truck that doesn't rattle. I'd like to have satellite radio in my truck. I wish I hadn't had to put freon in my truck just before every trip for the past three years. Etc, etc.

Like you, I drove lots of crappy vehicles in my youth. I've paid my dues. I also don't have anything to prove to anyone. Give me the luxuries.

Maybe I could trade this '96 to somebody that looks forward to the driving experience for the luxurious new truck he hates.
No arguments there. I keep my vehicles a long time, typically 160-200k. But the last vehicle I had that didn't have power windows was probably 30 years ago. There hasn't been a reason for me to look at anything stripped down since I was in my late teens.

Even trucks in '96 were available with bells and whistles. My '95 'Burb was pretty decked out. I also buy my vehicles used, so the notion of $60k is never even a consideration. I balked at my current Sierra because it was 6 years old when I got and still $20k. But I really love this truck. No sunroof or leather, but has pretty much everything else that I want for comfort.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:09 PM   #47
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No arguments there. I keep my vehicles a long time, typically 160-200k. But the last vehicle I had that didn't have power windows was probably 30 years ago. There hasn't been a reason for me to look at anything stripped down since I was in my late teens.

Even trucks in '96 were available with bells and whistles. My '95 'Burb was pretty decked out. I also buy my vehicles used, so the notion of $60k is never even a consideration. I balked at my current Sierra because it was 6 years old when I got and still $20k. But I really love this truck. No sunroof or leather, but has pretty much everything else that I want for comfort.

My daily driver is a 2007 Silverado Classic. We bought it in February of 2010 for $17,500. It has 117,000 miles now, and I still regard it as a new truck.

I hate leather seats. I think cloth seats are more comfortable.
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On the spartan equipment theme, the last new truck I bought was a 04 Chevy 1500 WT which only had 3 options, 5.3 engine, tow package and 3.73 rear. When I showed it to my DW she said "I did not think they made vehicles with crank down windows anymore". I replied something to the effect '' They only made a few, This is a limited edition and some day this will be a classic". I don`t think she bought that answer. I still have that truck and its been the most problem free vehicle I have owned. My TV is also an 04 but a 2500 with most of the candy (but no moonroof)
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The downside is that you've got a '73-'87 Chevy truck. I had one of those. They ride like crap compared to today's trucks.

BTW, my '66 Chevy half ton towed 10 times better than my '86 did.


Look, I'm as nostalgic as the next guy. I love old cars, but I don't want to drive them every day. Today's vehicles are light years better than the junk they were selling us 30 or 40 years ago.
In many ways, today's vehicle are better than yesteryears...
- MPG's that were unimaginable when the first energy crisis surprised us.
- Wind noise only when you open a window.
- Much more survivable when inertia exceeds available traction.
- Starts when you turn the key (who remembers having to tap the gas pedal to close the choke?)
- Quality of build is much better.
- Service intervals are MUCH longer.
- Longer lasting: 100,000 miles is just a waypoint.


However, the process of what the automakers choose to bring to market has gotten (for lack of a better word) bland.
- Test drive a comparable Chevy and Ford. Notice any striking differences? Even the Chryslers are blending in. I dare anyone to tell the difference among the nipmobiles if the logos and nameplates were removed.
- Have you seen the color palettes? White, 4 shades of grey-blue, silver and something reddish. What happened to green, yellow, copper or (gasp) brown?
- Maybe 2 engine choices per model. None on the transmission, unless they are currently experimenting with a new innovation. Who else remembers when the Tempest/Le Mans could be had with an L6 or 2 different V8's?
- What about a bench seat up front? Nope not happening! 2 Bucket seats with crummy support and a console that the driver can't use.
- Common modules across entire segments: The seats in the family sedan are the same as the ones in the SUV's and the light trucks.
- How many different radios are offered anymore? None, really, the higher-end cars get more buttons, but AM/FM/XM with Aux input and Bluetooth for your smartphone's mp3 music stream is standard. CD is obsolete.

There's the real gripe. Big Business pandering to the lowest common denominator!

Just like what happened to the food supply. Grocery store chains and pre-packaged food-like products. The organic/whole foods movement is making some headway...

I guess that's what I am after: A Certified Organic 1/2 ton truck. Free of additives, antibiotics and hormones.
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- How many different radios are offered anymore? None, really, the higher-end cars get more buttons, but AM/FM/XM with Aux input and Bluetooth for your smartphone's mp3 music stream is standard. CD is obsolete.

Actually, most of them don't have buttons now. They're all touch screens that double as backup camera monitors.
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