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Old 07-03-2016, 09:13 PM   #1
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CAT scale results, Tundra towing 28BHBE

My setup is a 2013 Tundra double cab 4x4, 5.7 V8, 4.30 gears, LT275/70R18 Cooper Discoverer AT3 LR E tires, ARE cap, TRD rear sway bar and a set of Load-Rite air bags outback. GVW is 7100 and GCWR is 16000

Camper is a 2017 Jay Flight 28BHBE with Elite package and aluminum wheels. Empty weight according to sticker is 6538, gross is 9250.

In this case the truck has 1 row of firewood, 2 mountain bikes and an a small air compressor in the bed. The camper has 2 full fresh water tanks.

Truck empty:
steer axle - 3720
drive axle - 3280
Gross wt - 7000

Truck/trailer with NO WDH
steer axle - 3180
drive axle - 5060
trailer axle - 7180
Gross wt - 15420

Truck/trailer with WDH
steer axle - 3560
drive axle - 4540
trailer axle - 7380
Gross wt - 15480

Looks like the camper sits right at 8480# and hitched up puts about 1100 on the tongue. Truck is over by 1000# even.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:50 PM   #2
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The good news is I think your GVWR is 7200 lbs... at least my 2010 was 7200 lbs. Hope you have a WDH, as I believe you are way over your tow hitch rating if you don't. I think you are just under your hitch rating if you do.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:07 PM   #3
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It looks like you are way over weight for the Toyota. Hate to bring you bad news but you really need a 2500 from any one of the big three. The truck can take it for now but not for long. Have you added the weight of your family and was the gas tank full. Think of the safety for your family and yourself and other drivers around you.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:19 PM   #4
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How much are you over your rear axle gross weight?
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:20 PM   #5
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Looks like your "gross" tw is 1240lbs, with as you mentioned a "net" tw of 1100lbs.

From your numbers, you could transfer up to another 160lbs to the front axle depending on what Toyota's recommended wdh adjustment is. With the adjustment you currently have I am guessing you are over the RAR by 500lbs or so. Also consider filling the fresh water tanks once you arrive and possibly the same with the firewood. Or as mentioned step up to a 2500/250.

Good luck!!!
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Old 07-04-2016, 06:13 AM   #6
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As others have mentioned, need to confirm your axle weight limits. More than likely with your numbers stated, you are over in the rear and could transfer a bit more to the front with your WDH.

On my F150 pulling a 26RKS, we are only 300 lb under in the rear axle with nothing in the bed. These larger trailers require a delicate balance when being pulled by a 1/2 ton TV.
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Heady, what is the payload on your 2013 EcoBoost ??
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:33 AM   #8
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It looks like you are way over weight for the Toyota. Hate to bring you bad news but you really need a 2500 from any one of the big three. The truck can take it for now but not for long. Have you added the weight of your family and was the gas tank full. Think of the safety for your family and yourself and other drivers around you.
I already knew I was going to be over the truck's GVW. The truck sits at 62-6300# empty! I was over with the 26BH we had as well. My wife was with me and yes the gas tank was full. This weigh was the absolute heaviest we will be. On longer trips we may run with little to no fresh water but while towing, I notice no difference at all. As far as safety...your family will be fine...I have probably one of the safest setups out there. The Tundras have larger brakes than most 3/4 and 1 tons out there with 4 piston calipers up front and duals out back, load range E tires, rear anti-sway bar and I run a ProPride hitch so sway is never an issue. I simply get NO sway at all!

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How much are you over your rear axle gross weight?
The truck's numbers are gvw - 7100, front axle - 4000 and rear axle - 4150. These are with passenger rated 255/70R18 tires.

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Looks like your "gross" tw is 1240lbs, with as you mentioned a "net" tw of 1100lbs.

From your numbers, you could transfer up to another 160lbs to the front axle depending on what Toyota's recommended wdh adjustment is. With the adjustment you currently have I am guessing you are over the RAR by 500lbs or so. Also consider filling the fresh water tanks once you arrive and possibly the same with the firewood. Or as mentioned step up to a 2500/250.

Good luck!!!
Toyota mentions putting the front fender height back to where it was pre-loaded and that is approximately what I did to get started. I have since added a little more weight with the WDH sine the ProPride is infinitely adjustable.

Just to be clear, I had a Ram 2500 4x4 quad cab Hemi before and the Tundra out-pulls it, out -brakes it and gets better fuel economy all around while doing so. The Ram definitely handled the weight better as far as suspension goes but thats about it.
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Old 07-04-2016, 10:13 AM   #9
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I am curious if anyone here has ever got in trouble with the fuzz for being over weight while not having an accident?

Don't get me wrong, i would never advocate hauling over the max ratings but i am curious as to the implications of doing so in a non "you crashed because you were over weight" scenario. I know in a Semi situation if you are over weight without the correct paperwork and trailer etc etc, that thing is not going down the highway.
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If, God Forbid an accident with major injuries or where a death occurs, there will be investigations up the ying yang. I'm sure, in most insurance policies something about "being used within Mfg parameters" is included. Would not want to be in a situation where my insurance has a potential out, or, the other side has a "cause". Operating outside the safety parameters is opening yourself up to potential liability. Not to mention your putting your vehicle and family at risk.

I Love my Tundra, but...
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