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Old 05-15-2017, 08:14 PM   #21
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I have a 2014 max tow f150 and tow a 17 jayflight 284bhsw. We just traveled from Detroit to outside of Pittsburg on both freeway and 2 lane highways. I only noticed it shift to 4 gear once and this area of Pa is very hilly. With that said I cannot wait to upgrade to the new motor and trans, everything I have read there is supposed to a big difference. Might,so see if trailer life magazine did a review om either or both trucks.
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Old 05-15-2017, 09:24 PM   #22
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The 2017 F150 is way underated @12,000 towing. It's got more power than the F250. I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to tow 13-14,500lb with an 20107 F150. U'd need the max payload towing package though.
I could easily see dragging a 12,000 5th wheel be hind one. In fact hitching up to a 35'13,000 GVWR 5er would be easily doable. If the lesser powered F250 can tow 15,000 why should a more powerfull F150 be able to tow 13,000lbs?
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:34 AM   #23
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My 2011 Ecoboost with max tow package does a super job of towing my rig. That being said, I'd love to jump up to the new engine/tranny/aluminum body.

I say "GO FOR IT"!
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Today I drove home to Colorado from Elk Rock State Park, SE of Des Moines, Iowa, towing my X213. My 2016 F-150 (see my sig) has the tow package with the 36 gallon tank. I filled up just west of Des Moines, and then when I was down to about 1/4 tank I filled again in Kearney, Nebraska. I arrived here at home with 1/4 tank left. It was a total of 571 miles in 9 hours and 45 minutes. I averaged nearly 10 mpg.

I drove 65 mph on I-80 all the way, with only about 50 miles off the freeway at the start and end of the trip, holding to 55. I was fighting a nasty wind all the way, drizzle and rain most of the way, with a only a brief period in Nebraska that was dry. In Iowa I had no problem running mostly in 6th gear, but once I got through Omaha, it just didn't want to stay in 6th because of the wind, so I locked it out and ran in 5th all the rest of the way.

Power was never an issue. A couple of times to pass a slower semi or RV, I goosed it to avoid blocking faster traffic, and it jumped up and ran like a rabbit. The 10 speed may give more options, especially when pulling heavy, but with my 5500 lb TT, it wouldn't have been needed.
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Old 06-06-2017, 02:45 PM   #25
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I was more interested in the transmission. I came on here knowing that someone would say I need a bigger truck.
I agree that it is one of the annoying things about this site that whenever somebody posts a question about towing a TT with a F150 they are warned about denial of insurance coverage, endangering their families and everybody else on the road as well as immediate breakdown, not covered by warranty. They are encouraged to immediately sell their brand new F150 and purchase a F250/2500 or F350/3500 for the safety of their family and everybody else on the road. Or you get sarcastic posts about pulling 15,000 lb fifth wheels because ignorant people that tow with F150's don't know what they are doing and think a F150 can do everything a F250 can just because the Eco F150 has more torque and horsepower than any of the gas powered F250/2500's.
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Old 06-07-2017, 03:47 PM   #26
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I agree that it is one of the annoying things about this site that whenever somebody posts a question about towing a TT with a F150 they are warned about denial of insurance coverage, endangering their families and everybody else on the road as well as immediate breakdown, not covered by warranty. They are encouraged to immediately sell their brand new F150 and purchase a F250/2500 or F350/3500 for the safety of their family and everybody else on the road. Or you get sarcastic posts about pulling 15,000 lb fifth wheels because ignorant people that tow with F150's don't know what they are doing and think a F150 can do everything a F250 can just because the Eco F150 has more torque and horsepower than any of the gas powered F250/2500's.
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Old 06-07-2017, 04:53 PM   #27
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I agree that it is one of the annoying things about this site that whenever somebody posts a question about towing a TT with a F150 they are warned about denial of insurance coverage, endangering their families and everybody else on the road as well as immediate breakdown, not covered by warranty. They are encouraged to immediately sell their brand new F150 and purchase a F250/2500 or F350/3500 for the safety of their family and everybody else on the road. Or you get sarcastic posts about pulling 15,000 lb fifth wheels because ignorant people that tow with F150's don't know what they are doing and think a F150 can do everything a F250 can just because the Eco F150 has more torque and horsepower than any of the gas powered F250/2500's.
Some of the negativity is warranted some's not. Guys that load up an F150 thats not a Max Tow or Heavy Duty payload and then complain about handling probably have it coming.
Most are trying to be helpful buy suggesting OP's look further than the TOW rating. Whats the point of an 11,100 tow rating if the truck only has 1400lbs for cargo. Try hitching up a 9000lb 5th wheel with 1800 lbs for the pin.
Is everyone supposed to just say, "Hey your truck and trailer match, cool".

Frankly I don't care if someone tows way overweight, as long as they're 3-4 cars behind me.
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I agree that it is one of the annoying things about this site that whenever somebody posts a question about towing a TT with a F150 they are warned about denial of insurance coverage, endangering their families and everybody else on the road as well as immediate breakdown, not covered by warranty. They are encouraged to immediately sell their brand new F150 and purchase a F250/2500 or F350/3500 for the safety of their family and everybody else on the road. Or you get sarcastic posts about pulling 15,000 lb fifth wheels because ignorant people that tow with F150's don't know what they are doing and think a F150 can do everything a F250 can just because the Eco F150 has more torque and horsepower than any of the gas powered F250/2500's.


I couldn't agree more. I would spend more time here if it weren't for the chorus of payload nazis. It gets old real quick.


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Some of the negativity is warranted some's not. Guys that load up an F150 thats not a Max Tow or Heavy Duty payload and then complain about handling probably have it coming.
Most are trying to be helpful buy suggesting OP's look further than the TOW rating. Whats the point of an 11,100 tow rating if the truck only has 1400lbs for cargo. Try hitching up a 9000lb 5th wheel with 1800 lbs for the pin.
Is everyone supposed to just say, "Hey your truck and trailer match, cool".

Frankly I don't care if someone tows way overweight, as long as they're 3-4 cars behind me.
The OP question had nothing to do with pulling a 9000 lb 5th wheel. He was asking about the difference between 6 and 10 speed transmissions to pull a #7500 GVW, probably around #6500 loaded for camping with a Maxtow equipped F150:

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We are truck shopping to replace our tow vehicle for our 267BHS which is, I believe, to be around #7500 gross weight.

We are looking at the F150 with the 3.5 ecoboost and max trailer tow package. The new 2017's come with the 10 speed transmissions, but Im still finding some nice 2016 models available with the 6 speed transmission. I think either one has a max tow rating of around #11000 which should be plenty.

I'm looking for input on the difference in towing with the two transmissions. I'm guessing that the dealership isn't going to let me hook up my camper and go for a nice hilly test drive.
I wish the mods would step up and delete the F150 bashing posts and recommend that they be taken over to the Fiat fanboy sites where they are more welcome as they certainly do not serve any useful purpose on this site.
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10R80 transmissions are new. I'd steer clear, at least for the first year. Haven't seen any warranty problems yet. And I'm not so sure what to think about the whole "skip shift" thing. No drivability problems have come through and haven't heard much about the towing ability.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:11 AM   #31
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Some of the negativity is warranted some's not. Guys that load up an F150 thats not a Max Tow or Heavy Duty payload and then complain about handling probably have it coming.
Most are trying to be helpful buy suggesting OP's look further than the TOW rating. Whats the point of an 11,100 tow rating if the truck only has 1400lbs for cargo. Try hitching up a 9000lb 5th wheel with 1800 lbs for the pin.
Is everyone supposed to just say, "Hey your truck and trailer match, cool".

Frankly I don't care if someone tows way overweight, as long as they're 3-4 cars behind me.
It doesn't help that Jayco and other brands are marketing these 5ers as "Half-ton towable". The 24.5CKTS has a 10K lb GCVWR and 1300 lb hitch weight. Even my F150 with 1600 lb payload would struggle with this after loading the 5er.
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The OP question had nothing to do with pulling a 9000 lb 5th wheel. He was asking about the difference between 6 and 10 speed transmissions to pull a #7500 GVW, probably around #6500 loaded for camping with a Maxtow equipped F150:



I wish the mods would step up and delete the F150 bashing posts and recommend that they be taken over to the Fiat fanboy sites where they are more welcome as they certainly do not serve any useful purpose on this site.
Sorry your feelings got hurt.
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Sorry your feelings got hurt.
It has nothing to do with feelings - it's all about simply answering the question that was asked. It doesn't matter whether it would be able to tow your hypothetical 5th wheel, because that wasn't what the OP wanted to know.
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It also doesn't matter what tranny you have if you can't carry the weight.
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It also doesn't matter what tranny you have if you can't carry the weight.
That still has nothing to do with the original question.
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Old 06-09-2017, 01:32 PM   #36
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36 posts and not one of them bashing the 150 as a choice. And a TON of posts from people that actually own the trucks.

A lot of us swear by them.

A lot of us also wish we knew then what we know now. I think people are just **** suggesting **** that the OP ***** considers ***** all of his / her tow vehicle options. Of course it's going to come up in a thread where people are discussing buying a new vehicle. Shouldn't offend anyone when the 'Why not a 250?' question comes up - even if it's in a thread that is about transmission choices in a brand new truck.

People are asking me all the time why I didn't upgrade to a 350.... the guys with the 350's are often asked why they didn't get the 450... It's just a friendly conversation. At the end of the day, I doubt any of us actually care what the OP buys.... just along for the ride and adding points to consider... i.e. the whole point of having a forum. Good luck with the decision!

ETA - I recommend the ford-trucks forum for brand specific information regarding the 10 speed vs. others. You'll find a lot of people that own both... hundreds. Zero issues with the 6 speed in my current 150. It works fine... as does the motor.

Another poster mentioned that the ecoboost 150 is more powerful than the 250... and got hit a little over that - but that's actually correct. It's the *only* part of that post that was.

The 2017 250 gas motor puts out 430 ft lbs of torque.
The 2016 250 gas motor puts out 405 ft lbs of torque.

The 2017 F150 with the 3.5 puts out *more Torque" than either of those and until this year, it put out more horsepower too. As of this year, the 250 *finally* puts out a tiny bit more HP than the eco boost - but only 10 HP more.

470 ft pounds of torque (at a lower RPM range) *and* 375 HP. The little ecoboost blows away the 6.2 gas motor in almost every way, and especially with respect to power to weight. So, yeah the 150 IS more powerful. If power were the only consideration, the 150 would be the only gas truck I'd ever consider.

The 250 is also a lot heavier - so it eats up more of it's power just to pull itself around. There are a thousand reasons to consider the 'bigger truck' but getting a better motor or 'more power' isn't one of them *** I just spent 60K for those other 999 reasons. Unless we bring the powerstroke motor into the conversation the 'power' advantage goes to the eco boost. That isn't worth a cup of coffee when you're towing a trailer though. The post above where someone suggested the 150 was a more capable tow vehicle was funny though. We call the people that try to tow 12,000+ lb 5ers with their 150's lots of choice words that actually are a legit reason to be moderated out if I used them here. It's obviously not true at all.

Anyway, sorry to the OP for even bringing the 250 up. I forgot how sensitive the issue is for some people, regardless of my 100% pure intentions in hoping you get the right truck for your needs. For anyone that owns and loves their 150's lighten up if someone suggests considering a 'bigger' truck, from time to time - nobody is bashing your choices. I really wish someone had asked me that exact question 5 years ago. So---- Lighten up everyone! It's Friday, and it's a beautiful day.

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I'm always fascinated by reading these posts, especially the 'you need more truck' comments. I DO believe folks are trying to be helpful, but I also believe lots of people try to tow above and beyond (or awfully close to) the capabilities of the truck.

We get the same conversations over in the John Deere tractor forum. It doesn't take long for somebody w/ 1/2 of acre of flat grass to mow gets advised to upgrade to a Abrams Tank in case they want to pull a small dump cart behind them. Its just the nature of the forums.

I myself am considering dumping my motorhome as the cost and maintenance on it is getting too prohibitive. Honestly w/ the the advanced systems in my rig I'm looking forward to camping 'simpler'. I'm looking hard at a 2017 F150 SCREW EB 3.5 - its not on the dealer's lot yet as its in transit but it has all the options I would want to order and none of the other stuff. I'm trying to be payload aware (thanks to this forum). That being said, I'm only considering towing things in the Jay Feather line, likely a hybrid, GVW rating max of 6000 pounds. Heck I might even look closely at the PUP w/ the slideout. In short, this little EB engine might be able to pull 10k, 11k or 12k pounds properly outfitted, but I'm realistically only looking to do around 1/2 of that.

I like having excess unused capacity.

I've found this spreadsheet to be awfully helpful. http://rvitch.com/files/TowingCapacityWorksheet.xls
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I don't think manufacturers mess around with new technology too much- especially in their flagship line up- and they test the crap out of things before they release it. Yes, there may be a few bugs, but usually these are software related and can be cleared up quick.
I had a late '13 RAM when they first put the 8 speeds in them. I can say without question that was the best driving transmission I ever had. Always knew what gear to be in to put the power to the wheels. This is not brand cheering, it's technology cheering. I wouldn't hesitate to get on board with the new 10 speed. They have a lot riding on it, I bet it's spectacular! And the 150s keeping proving themselves better and better- I think a '17 would be a great TV for what you want.

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I towed for one summer with a 4.6L F-150 with a 4spd auto. The 4.6L is a bulletproof engine but lacks towing power. It makes a great engine for those using a truck for light duty applications and transportation. I pulled about 5K with it, 4th gear overdrive locked out, and the truck was constantly between 2nd gear unlocked and 3rd gear unlocked, engine racing, just to get up shallow grades. I got 7mpg.

I sold that truck after that season and got into my current truck. I now pull 7K and I have the 6-spd Select Shift transmission. The difference in power is one thing, but the difference in transmission behavior and fuel economy is drastic. Going from having 3 usable gears to 6 allows better efficiency from the engine and drives mileage up to the comfortable 10MPG area.

Do I think that having 4 more gears is necessary? Well, not really, but if my truck came with it I wouldn't squawk. I like the fact that it can skip gears if needed, and not hit every single one. I generally lock out 6th gear when I tow since the revs are a bit too low, unless it's completely flat highway.

I think that the 10spd is a result of government mandated fuel economy standards really. A lot of the current features such as start/stop technology etc don't really assist anything other than emissions and fuel economy.
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Update from the OP

We ended up with the 2107 F150 3.5 EB and max tow with the 10 speed transmission.
We did about a 500 mile trip this last week and it towed like a dream. I was very happy with it.
The only problem I had is that with the 10 speed, it got real easy to creep up to 70-75 mph without noticing and then the mileage goes to crap.
I did notice that I got a bit better mileage if I didn't have it in tow/haul mode.
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