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Old 11-25-2013, 04:11 PM   #1
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F150 Whitehawk Summit 27DSRL

Hi all. Looking for comments and suggestions. Getting ready to purchase a 2014 WhiteHawk Summit 27DSRL. I will be towing it with a 2010 F150 SCrew, 11500 tow capacity. I currently tow a 22FB without any problems. I feel I should be okay with weight. Any comments would be appreciated.
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Just watch the Whitehawk's Tongue Weight + WD Hitch, TV Cargo and People, to ensure you are with in the F150 Cargo Carrying Capacity. I would imagine that you will be able to make it work no problem, but Cargo Capacity always seems to be the "gotcha" with 1/2 ton PU.
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The short bed on the Screw helps me keep the cargo weight down.
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I found 2010 F150 specs online. The max towing capacity listed is 11300, which won't be a problem with your WhiteHawk. But, as Clubhouse posted payload is the $64000 question. Looking at the chart your truck's payload capacity is either 1870 or 1990 lbs. Dry tongue weight on the 27DSRL is 610 lbs. but if you load her to gross capacity (7500 lbs) the tongue weight could go well north of 900 lbs. So with a full tank of fuel, passengers, and whatever you might haul in the bed, don't know where that would leave you. No expert on this stuff to be sure, but that's the numbers I found. I am sure you'll enjoy the trailer, we have a 2013 DSRL, but we're draggin' it around with an '05 Ram 3500 diesel. Not quite a "I hardly know a trailer's back there" experience, but close. Enjoy your new rig.
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snip..... I feel I should be okay with weight. Any comments would be appreciated.
The prior responses are correct, Payload Capacity with most 1/2 tons is the first weight limit to confirm. Not to say it isn't feasible, it's just that we all have different TV/TT loading habits.

To reduce the assumptions, I would take your F-150 under loaded conditions (fuel fuel, passengers, etc.) to a CAT scale and weigh it. Subtract the CAT scale weight from the GVWR noted on your driver's door. The remaining weight (Payload Capacity) is what you have for the "loaded" TT tongue weight and any other F-150 weight not accounted for at the CAT scale.

Figure a "loaded" tongue weight for the 27DSRL of 13% to 15% of the it's actual loaded weight. The published UVW of the 2014 27DRSL is 5,355lbs, but the actual Ship Weight will be heavier. NOTE: One JOF member found that his 27DSRL Ship Weight was 430lbs over the published UVW.

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Old 11-26-2013, 08:35 PM   #6
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F150 Whitehawk Summit 27DSRL

I have a 28dsbh and pull it with a 08 Tahoe with no problems.
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I have a 28dsbh and pull it with a 08 Tahoe with no problems.
Hmmm...I was heading to the dealer to buy that model until I stopped at a cat scale and weighed my 2013 ram 1500....too much trailer for my half ton truck (payload). Got any pics of ur rig hooked up?
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I've got a 09 f150 full tow package and I pull a whitehwK 28dsbh but I'm over weight by about 400lbs with my family and such...... Trucks handles it just fine though.....
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Hi all. Looking for comments and suggestions. Getting ready to purchase a 2014 WhiteHawk Summit 27DSRL. I will be towing it with a 2010 F150 SCrew, 11500 tow capacity. I currently tow a 22FB without any problems. I feel I should be okay with weight. Any comments would be appreciated.
Click on my Album that has the official F150 towing specifications for the 2012, I would think that the 2010 should still be about the same. The chart is based on Truck Type, engine, axle ratio.
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I've got a 09 f150 full tow package and I pull a whitehwK 28dsbh but I'm over weight by about 400lbs ......snip
Just curious, which "weight limit" are you over by 400lbs?

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I swapped my 1/2 to a 3/4 for the reasons stated above. I figured that fully loaded with fuel, gear and kids I was too close to max to be comfortable with it. Camping close to home would be ok but we have dreams of being able to cross the Rockies with it. The 3/4 ton was a good decision for us.
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Took my FB22 from New Jersey to Alaska without any problems.
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My 2013 27SDRL unloaded weight from factory was #5834. Loaded up is about #6700. Loaded tongue weight with spring bars in place #720, leaving #5960 on trailer axles. All by CAT scale. My truck with me DW and a few things in the bed comes in with about #200 below max GVWR of #6900. I am happy with my rig, however I would not consider a heavier trailer for this truck. I am #3400 under my GCVWR of #16000.
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Are you 200lbs below GVWR *before* you tie on the trailer? Meaning after you tie onto the trailer you are exceeding it? I am just curious because I am in a situation where I am over my GVWR of my TV by a similar amount once I tie onto my trailer if what I read in your post is correct, and I was just curious how things handled.
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No, I am #200 under GVWR after hitched up and spring bars in place. No handling problems or sway. I try to drive 65 mph or less. My TV has a rear axle rating of #4100. I am a good #800 under that.
You may be exceeding your GVWR but chances are that you are well under your rear axle rating. I'm not sure how vehicle manufactures come up with the GVWR, Toyota seems to be pretty conservative. That being said it is probably not a good idea to exceed your GVWR. I am also at about 80% of my Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating (GCVWR) So no problem overloading brakes or other mechanical components of the TV. (#16000)
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No, I am #200 under GVWR after hitched up and spring bars in place. No handling problems or sway. I try to drive 65 mph or less. My TV has a rear axle rating of #4100. I am a good #800 under that.
You may be exceeding your GVWR but chances are that you are well under your rear axle rating. I'm not sure how vehicle manufactures come up with the GVWR, Toyota seems to be pretty conservative. That being said it is probably not a good idea to exceed your GVWR. I am also at about 80% of my Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating (GCVWR) So no problem overloading brakes or other mechanical components of the TV. (#16000)
Yeah, I am under axle rating, only at 70% GCWR and only using 60% of my tow cap, but over my GVWR by a fair bit with my TT (5500lbs) hitched and me, DW, and the kids in the cab. I can only stay under without the kids in the cab

Makes no sense at all to me.
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smurfs_of_war, I am curious what your TV and TT are. You can put them in your signature which would help forum members more fully answer your questions.
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smurfs_of_war, I am curious what your TV and TT are. You can put them in your signature which would help forum members more fully answer your questions.
I'll adjust my sig when I get back to my laptop

TV 2013 Laramie 1500 CC 5.7, 3.92, 8 SPD. I made sure to get the OEM class IV, TBC, ETC

TT 2007 Jay Feather 254 EXP 26'. 5900lbs gross, 5400- 5600 per scale ready to camp depending on length of stay. Haven't got my Sherline yet to weigh the tongue.

Passenger weight for us is a killer. I'm 240, my 15 year old son- 6'2 240lbs, my daughters are 250 combined. My wife weighs "DON'T YOU DARE!"

Ram payload numbers and calculations are all over the map pre sales. I did my math to make sure if I did end up with an overage on payload it was negligable if any- and I am ok with overages to an extent because it's tough to police all the time. It happens when towing with a large family and a half ton. Since it's a daily driver and family commuter, it is well optioned and I put about 30k a year on non towing for work- 2500 or 3500 were out of the question for this very reason, and also why we wanted a few creature comforts. Plus, my 83 year old grand mother needs to be able to get in and out of it. Can't see that with a 3500

Right now as it stands, we are going to either run it over the TV GVWR (with better shocks, bags, LT Tires and shed some weight like the steps, spare, trifold, skid plates, either a Reese DCSC or equalizer hitch) or run with two vehicles. We are leaning towards two vehicles since our destinations are close by and with two teens with summer jobs, it will probably be necessary anyways. I went to inquire about going to a 6.4 2500, but it's an extra 21000 for an SLT. I have already added the tires and bags, waiting on shocks. I like to change those regardless because I think the OEM components are junk. I know it's not the "right" answer, but within the next 3 years, we'll be empty nesters. All the weight problems will be off to college or jobs.

I am on the fence since the trailer is such a light weight. In fact to have enough sleeping room for all of us, they don't get much lighter. I spent two and a half years looking for an ultralight with an acceptable tongue weight for a half ton. Even if empty, my truck out weighs it. The wheelbase is only 5" shorter than my F150 was. Truthfully by the time I added the skid plates and audio equipment, trifold etc to the F150, the payload was about the same as the Ram. For some odd reason now though, it's bugging me. I think the door placard has a placebo effect of some sort.

Anyways, I am babbling. That's my story.
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Better understand your situation now. Two vehicle approach looks promising. If you plan on getting a larger (heavier) trailer, looking in my crystal ball I see a 2500 series truck in your future. My 96 year old mother used to have to crawl up into my Tundra. Kept a little step stool in the bed for that purpose. She is now in a better place. At least you are thinking about this stuff; looking at some of the rigs on the road many folks seem clueless.
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Better understand your situation now. Two vehicle approach looks promising. If you plan on getting a larger (heavier) trailer, looking in my crystal ball I see a 2500 series truck in your future. My 96 year old mother used to have to crawl up into my Tundra. Kept a little step stool in the bed for that purpose. She is now in a better place. At least you are thinking about this stuff; looking at some of the rigs on the road many folks seem clueless.
Actually, the plan is smaller, but one never knows.

With two vehicles I am under my GVWR on the Ram handily with me and DW, and that is the way we'll run it for a few years until the kidlets are on their way. I just can't fathom an HD for towing 3 trips of 300 kms a year with such a dinky little trailer

I guess for what it's worth, after talking with people at the sites we frequent, I am one of the few that isn't GROSSLY overloaded. Most just hook and go and have no idea. We had a family pull in beside us one day- an F150 5.4 Lariat (a heavyweight) with a 34' tag along (he told me the make and model but it escapes me at the moment), 5 big guys, the wife/ mother (she must have been in the glove compartment LOL), a dirtbike and a stack of wood in the bed up to the rails. I casually snuck a peek at the placard on the trailer: GVWR 11500lbs. I've overloaded plenty of times, 5-600 isn't hard without even realizing it, but I'd bet my next paycheck he was over by about 12-1500 lbs based on what I know about the F150 payloads for that year.

The SLT 2500 6.4 I was looking at stickered at 65,000. I just about puked when I saw that.

Our retirement plan-a well outfitted fiver with a 3500 DRW so we just load and go without a care
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