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Old 07-24-2014, 04:41 AM   #11
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The dreaded ram payload strikes again. You have it figured right...go to cat scale and see where u r at with family in truck. Payload issues on my ram 1500 r what lead me to a 2014 ram 3500 srw

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Old 07-24-2014, 06:01 AM   #12
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No offense but with a family of six, a second vehicle may be a better way to go. You could buy a new truck, but in a few years those kids will be getting much bigger and stuffing all of them into the truck may be tough anyway. Don't know the sexes or how big you expect them to be, but I come from a family of four boys. When we started going through our growth spurts, it required a dump truck load of food to be delivered daily and there was no way we'd all fit into a crew cab truck as a family for a long drive.

Not saying it won't work now, but odds are you will want the space of a second vehicle in a few short years anyways.

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Old 07-24-2014, 06:56 AM   #13
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Wonder if one of the heavier passenger vans would be a candidate here. Something like an E-350 (sorry, I'm a blue oval kind of guy).
We pulled our first TT with a Ford Expedition and although we were well below the max tow weight (8950# / 5960#) it surprised me how close to the Rear GAWR we were (4128# / 3800#). Only about 300# to spare and that's with myself, the bride and wiener dog. With another couple in the back seat (and their luggage) I figure we were over a bit. I suspect the max tow rating has more to do with the brakes and drive train than weight you're putting on the axles (tongue weight).

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Old 07-24-2014, 08:25 PM   #14
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So I took my truck to the scales today, loaded with all six of us and full tank of fuel, WD hitch in the bed:

Front axle: 4,400
Rear axle: 3,250
Total: 7,650
GVWR on door: 9,000

So that leaves 1,350 for tongue weight and the growth of our kids. So I'm at/over max now and will be plenty over max soon assuming my estimated tongue weight turns out close to accurate.

But here's my next question (all weight ratings come from the sticker on the door):

If the GVWR of my truck is 9,000 lbs, why does my GAWR Front (4,750) + GAWR Rear (6,010) on the sticker add up to 10,780? Shouldn't the GVWR then be 10,780 instead of the posted 9,000?

If I go by the posted GAWR Front and Rear ratings instead of the posted GVWR rating, according to the scales today I'm 350 lbs under my front axle max and 2,760 lbs under my rear axle max (even when I add the actual tongue weight that I estimated I'd still be 1,335 lbs under rear axle max!).

So if I go by GVWR I'll be at/over max already
If I go by GAWR Front & Rear, I'm plenty under max both front & rear
So which do I go by?

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snip....So which do I go by?
Go by the GVWR on the driver's door.

The axle weight limits are "stand alone"...., not to be added together to determine payload capacities, thus the sum total of the "actual" axle weights can't exceed the GVWR.

The weight on the rear axle could be 6,010lbs (your GAWR), but your front axle weight couldn't exceed (9,000lbs - 6,010lbs) = 2,990lbs (extreme example)


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Old 07-24-2014, 08:36 PM   #16
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I'm not 100% sure but I believe that is the max weight on each particular axle. Theoretically couldn't max out both then. I think you are still bound by your GVWR, but for loading purposes, don't exceed the gross axle weights for either one. Make sense? The sticker should show your actual available payload. My does but I have a Ford. Each axle max gross and total payload capacity for your actual truck. The specific one published on my truck does slightly differ from the book.

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