Putting it to the experts please....

[SilverEscape]

Originally Posted by dangerdave

another way to say that is "If you fill it to the max, it will weight 8750" right?

True. But keep in mind it can also be overfilled so you need to know when you get to the limit.

[TWP723]

I can't imagine you'll max it out. Unless of course you're bringing your flat bench and free weights...and about 76 watermelons.

[dangerdave]

The real issue comes down to my hauling my own water up there in the 80 gallon tank in the 27RLS (elite package).

Reliable water sources where we camp aren't guaranteed. If I tow without (or with less) water none of this is an issue.

But one of the main reasons we got the bigger water capacity is to be able to shower when we boondock.

[TWP723]

Originally Posted by dangerdave

The real issue comes down to my hauling my own water up there in the 80 gallon tank in the 27RLS (elite package).

Reliable water sources where we camp aren't guaranteed. If I tow without (or with less) water none of this is an issue.

But one of the main reasons we got the bigger water capacity is to be able to shower when we boondock.

Considering water weighs about 8 1/2 lbs. per gallon, that would be close to 700 lbs right there. Myself, I wouldn't want 700 lbs of water sloshing side-to-side while towing. It may not seem like it but, you'll definately notice it.

[bedrck46]

As another member has said The CAT scales are your friend.


Suggest you get it as close as you can to what you plan to haul and then take a trip to the CAT scales That should remove all doubts

[bedrck46]

Originally Posted by TWP723

Considering water weighs about 8 1/2 lbs. per gallon, that would be close to 700 lbs right there. Myself, I wouldn't want 700 lbs of water sloshing side-to-side while towing. It may not seem like it but, you'll definately notice it.

You will have less sloshing front to back and side to side with full tanks than if they were 3/4 full or less

[TWP723]

Originally Posted by bedrck46

You will have less sloshing front to back and side to side with full tanks than if they were 3/4 full or less

Very true! Good call!

[DocBrown]

I have twice knowingly towed close my limits. Not over, but close. Two different trailers, and two different tow vehicles.

Both felt safe, both did the job. But they were adequate setups at best. Both were fine for short trips (under 200 miles) and on relatively flat terrain. But forget mountains, lots of hills, and high winds.

Towing with a tow vehicle that has a healthy capacity margin above the trailer's weights is a marked difference from towing close to limits. Far more comfortable and much easier on the tow vehicle.

[RedHorse1]

Originally Posted by dangerdave

The GVWR of the 27RLS is 8750 which is what it would weigh with all fluids, etc etc (80 gal water tank) right?

Not really, the GVWR is the MAX the TT should weigh after you put your "stuff" in it. Food, water, battery, chairs, clothes, propane...
That rating number is probably more related to the axles and or braking.
I always try to be below that number when travelling.

It's even possible that the combined weight rating of the tires could be less than your TT's GVWR but I think it's usually not.

If you really are cautious by nature a visit to the scales will give you a definitive answer.

My first trip to the scales was intimidating but I survived and was smarter than before (at least I felt smarter).
I've made a grand total of 3 scale trips and I always feel good about it.

[SilverEscape]

Originally Posted by SilverEscape

True. But keep in mind it can also be overfilled so you need to know when you get to the limit.

Quoting myself...And also it can be under filled so won't be at the limit.

But yes, filled to the MAX is 8750.

[Bucko06]

I ran my Titan close to the limits and lost the rear after only a few thousand miles of towing. I will never do it again. Bought an f250 and an amazed at the difference in suspension stiffness.

[Bucko06]

One of the earlier posts showed your dry weight at 6000 lbs. that is before you put anything in it. But jayco is tricky, they don't include everything in that catalog number. I bet your new trailer weighs 6500 lbs. check the yellow sticker. I think with a full tank of water you will put another 1200 to 1500 pounds. That is 7700 to 8000 lbs of final towed weight and a target hitch weight of 1100 lbs. pretty spicy tongue weight for a 1/2 ton suspension. Like others said CAT scale.

[dangerdave]

Thank you again for everyone's thoughtful input and the time invested in my topic.

After much deliberation, I swapped the Tundra out for a RAM 2500 with the Cummins diesel.

Out here in sunny AZ, escaping the heat to camp means BIG climbs (and downhills) both ways. For those familiar, the Verde Valley is a killer....Sunset Point a close second.

Anyway, you guys gave good information and swayed me that I'd just be safer and happier not pushing it.

[Tim L]

Cummins... Now, I'm jealous!! Congrats, you will nor regret it!

[Murff]

Originally Posted by TWP723

Considering water weighs about 8 1/2 lbs. per gallon, that would be close to 700 lbs right there. Myself, I wouldn't want 700 lbs of water sloshing side-to-side while towing. It may not seem like it but, you'll definately notice it.

Most water tanks have baffles to minimize sloshing.

Congrats on the new TV, Dave!

Murff

[ykcamom]

OK, we are considering buying this same trailer, Jayflight 27.

We have a 2010 F150 Supercrew, 5.4L with 3:73 axle and what is called the "max trailer towing package" and 20 inch tires, if that makes any difference!

When I look it up online, it's max towing is 11,200. But I can't find anything on the sticker that shows this. The only thing the stickers show is below:

GVWR 7700lbs
Front GAWR 4050 lbs
Rear GAWR 4050lbs
Payload 1465

Will we be OK?

[Tim L]

Payload is the problem. If you add a 1200 lb tongue weight, You, and all your guests need to total less than 265. For me, that would mean I go alone with 15 lbs to spare...

[Murff]

Originally Posted by Tim L

Payload is the problem. If you add a 1200 lb tongue weight, You, and all your guests need to total less than 265. For me, that would mean I go alone with 15 lbs to spare...

Actually, the payload on a Ford is figured after the driver and full tank of gas.

ykcamom, looking at the Ford stats for 2010 here:

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/...vF150sep09.pdf

I'd say you'd be okay. The trailer hitc on your truck is rated 1,130 pounds. Just to be safe, if you buy the trailer, go to a CAT scale and check everything. You may have to rearrange how you load the trailer, but I would not be afraid to tow this sized trailer with your F150.

Murff

Murff

[SilverEscape]

Originally Posted by Murff

Actually, the payload on a Ford is figured after the driver and full tank of gas.

Murff

No it doesn't. The towing limit accounts for that, not the payload. The payload sticker on the door is what you can carry. That means ALL passengers (including driver), cargo, dealer installed accessories and anything you installed. The payload number on your door is the GVWR - curb weight. The curb weight is the weight of the vehicle with a full tank of gas and all fluids full; no people.

[SilverEscape]

Originally Posted by Tim L

Payload is the problem. If you add a 1200 lb tongue weight, You, and all your guests need to total less than 265. For me, that would mean I go alone with 15 lbs to spare...

On top of that, that F-150 hitch is likely to have an 1150# maximum tongue weight. So if the trailer tongue is that heavy, they can't carry it wether or not they have the payload.

Our tongue is 771# on our trailer and we have a slightly higher payload at 1522# in our F-150 SuperCrew with Max Tow. With cargo, 2 small adults and a couple small kids, we are at our rear axle rating and used up most of the payload. Not a snowball's chance in H-E-double hockey sticks could we carry a 1200# tongue weight trailer.