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03-02-2013, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TCNASHVILLE
snip...... With the Timbrens, it will only settle about 1.5in on the rear. That was the part that a little confusing to me because now I'll only have to bring the front down .75in, but it will require the same "force" to do so, right? .....snip
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Terry,
Difficult to predict the outcome, because we don't know if (or how much) the Timbrens will effect the WDH's effort to distribute weight. All TV frames/suspensions will react differently with suspension enhancements, so a minor re-adjustment of the WDH may be required but at the end of the day the Timbrens will enhance TV load stability... which is a good thing.
Bob
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03-02-2013, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TCNASHVILLE
Doug, I was kind of thinking the same thing. When the loaded tongue weight goes down on the hitch now @1400lbs, the front wheel measurement raises about 3.5 in. The way I'm set up now with my WDH, the front settles down to within 1.5 in with spring bars engaged, which is within Fords new 50% of return. With the Timbrens, it will only settle about 1.5in on the rear. That was the part that a little confusing to me because now I'll only have to bring the front down .75in, but it will require the same "force" to do so, right? I've researched suspension enhancement a lot and I think I'll try the Timbrens. Found them for my 2012 F-250 @ Stengelbros.com for $168. Thanks for the advice, Terry
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That would be my guess Terry, but just a guess lol
I am thinking the same weight is there, it's just sitting on the spacers now.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Best regards,
Doug
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03-02-2013, 03:04 PM
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Bob, after reading about all the pros & cons about all the suspension products, it came down to either the Timbrens or the Airbags. Believe me, there are a whole host of products other than these, all with different benefits. What finally swayed me is that the only towing I do with my truck is the camper and pontoon boat [no consequence]. If I was towing varied loads, I would've gone with the airbags. The Timbrens do not affect no load driving and work best under heavy loads. 20 minute installation. We'll see. I will keep everyone posted on how they're doing. Terry
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03-02-2013, 03:15 PM
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Terry,
Once you hitch your loaded TV/TT after the Timbren installation, drive your TV/TT a couple of miles allowing the TV suspension to settle, then take your final fender measurements.
Bob
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03-02-2013, 03:37 PM
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Very good point since the Timbrens aren't rigid, never thought of that, thanks Bob
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03-02-2013, 05:19 PM
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If you want to set your weight distribution properly, take your truck and trailer to a CAT scale. You want the weight on your steer wheels to be nearly the same with an unloaded truck and with the trailer attached with weight distribution set. It might take a couple of weighs to dial it in.
More accurate, IMHO, than the fender measure method.
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03-02-2013, 09:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drfife
snip.... More accurate, IMHO, than the fender measure method.
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I'm sure no one will disagree.
In another active running thread Terry (TCNASHVILLE) noted that his intention was to compare Ford's recent "50%" fender height return recommendation with CAT scale weight results (ie; does 50% fender return = 50% weight return).
Reference threads: http://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...th-A-CAT-Scale & http://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...-General/page5
Both Ford and GM's recent WDH usage recommendations referencing a 50% fender height return has raised some interesting questions in relation to weight returns.
Bob
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03-05-2013, 04:27 PM
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Crabman and gatordone, when you installed your Timbrens were you able to get enough room by jacking the frame away from the axle housing? I would like to do it in the driveway.
Also the weight of the cap (125 lbs) on my 4wd closed the gap to shorter than the spring. A Timbren rep told me to go with the 2wd version which is shorter and I'll get close to the recommended 1" gap. Can you feel the Timbrens touch the axle when your partially loaded?
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03-05-2013, 04:40 PM
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I used Timbrens on my 1999 Ford Windstar. They were very easy to put on and worked great.
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03-05-2013, 05:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheGo
Crabman and gatordone, when you installed your Timbrens were you able to get enough room by jacking the frame away from the axle housing? I would like to do it in the driveway.
Also the weight of the cap (125 lbs) on my 4wd closed the gap to shorter than the spring. A Timbren rep told me to go with the 2wd version which is shorter and I'll get close to the recommended 1" gap. Can you feel the Timbrens touch the axle when your partially loaded?
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Its been a few years and I honestly cannot remember what I had to do to install them but it did not take long. Depending on the weight, a partial load will bring the Timbrens down to the axle. If its just close to touching you will feel it hit when going over bumps. But empty you still get an empty truck ride.
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03-14-2013, 05:51 PM
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Just received some Timbrens I ordered via Amazon for my 2011 Silverado. Eyeballed the installation and decided to have my trusted local mechanic do it. Turns out, he had to grind two welds off the stock rubber chock on each side to install the new Timbrens. Took about 45 minutes, cost was $144. I went online to Amazon to write a review noting this, and saw that now Amazon said "these won't fit your 2011 Silverado." Beats me. I exercised due caution in ordering what I thought were the correct Timbrens for my truck. And, they are now installed for better or worse. Won't know of how they work until I hang a big load on the truck. But I find it irritating to order something that is supposed to be easily bolted up; and find that it requires much more effort to install. As usual, YMMV!
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