Towing with ford

[MBoza]

Morning folks,

I have Jay Flight TT , 2015 267 BHSW. Yellow sticker states approx 5744 lbs. I have the option to tow it either with 2015 Ford F150 V8 with NO Heavy Duty Towing Package or 2015 Expedition EL 3.5 V6 ECOBOOST with Heavy Duty Towing Package. The Expedition comes already with brake controller. I can install my P2 Brake controller on the F150. Planning a trip from Florida to S Dakota. I looked at the data on Ford's website. Info is misguiding cause it says that the F150 can tow 9000 lbs, but the owner's manual say 5100 lbs. What do you folks think. Any advice will be helpful. Thanks

Mike

[TWP723]

Expedition...definately.

9100 lbs. Expedition. But EcoBoost is why I say it...

[SkyBound]

You will appreciate the low end torque of the EcoBoost for towing. Also having a heavy duty towing package is beneficial because it often includes a bigger transmission cooler, better gears, heavier duty hitch, and the brake controller as you mentioned.

[Scoutr2]

Look at the GVWR on the yellow sticker on your trailer. That is the max weight for your loaded trailer. Then multiply that number by .15, which will be the calculation for max tongue weight on your tow vehicle. (The number you quote is the empty trailer - no propane, battery, or gear.) You will be surprised at how much the "stuff" you load in the trailer actually weighs. (I suggest going to a scale to be accurate.)

Now take the max tongue weight calculation and use that as one of the factors in the determining the payload for your tow vehicle. There should be a sticker inside the door of your tow vehicle that tells you what the max payload is for that vehicle. The payload consists of your tongue weight and the weight of all passengers and anything else you load in the vehicle (including the weight of the hitch and equipment). This is the number that should be of the most concern for you. I'm guessing you will be over that on the F-150. Not sure about the Expedition, but it is also a 1/2-ton. The towing capacity rating is how much of a load the power train is designed to "pull." The payload capacity is how much the vehicle can safely "carry" and control for that suspension. Two different things!

[Owen Stubbs]

This might be helpful for the Expedition and the F150.

[Treatcg]

According to the Jayco website GVWR for that trailer is 7k which would be a max tongue weight of 1050.


2015 Jay Flight SLX 267BHSW | Jayco, Inc.

[Subaru297]

The lowest tow rating for a 2015 F150 with the V8 is 8300lbs. What are the rest of the specs for the truck?
I think either vehicle will pull that trailer just fine so pick whatever one you want.

Do check out the payload of each vehicle as that will be the limiting factor for either.

Cheers

[dennis b]

The 5100 lb rating is without a WDH the 9000 max would be with a WDH. Only thought I"d mention as nobody else has.
Another thing yo consider is the F150 probably has a longer wheelbase.
I had a "99 Ex. 5.4 and did fine. Now have a 2005 F150 Screwcab 5.4, 3.73 gears and seems way better towing

[MBoza]

Thank You gentlemen for all the info. The specs on the F150 are the following : 4x4 Super Crew 145" wheelbase
5.0 V8 FFV
Elec 6-speed auto W/ Tow Mode
Fail safe cooling system
Outboard mntd rear shocks
3.31 ratio axle
7000# GVWR package

Again, Thanks a lot..

[TJEli]

Have you towed anything with the EcoBoost yet? Better map out where the gas stations are. I would use the F150. Longer wheelbase and leaf springs.


-Eli

[Jagiven]

Call ford with your Vin numbers, not the deal but ford service. They will give all the build info and towing info.

[RedHorse1]

Take both to the CAT Scale and see which has been he best payload. If both can handle the weight pick the more comfy of the two.
The CAT Scale is your friend.

[nwminnesota]

I like the specs on the ecoboost. I would go with that one. Although is there a chance you could try towing the trailer or something similar with each vehicle first then make your choice.

[Country_Mouse]

I have a 2004 Ford Expedition with an 8950# tow rating when using a WDH. We are buying a trailer with a 6000 GTWR. I wouldn't want to go any higher than that but we also have a large family that takes away from our payload. Our max payload is 1555#. I have only 700-800# max left for the tongue.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...s/2004_All.pdf

[ykcamom]

I'd go with the F150, both for the extra length for more stability and it probably has more payload and overall towing capacity.

PS: We have friends who own both of those vehicles and a 24 foot Cougar trailer. She told me they've towed with both and the truck handles it much better, especially on hills.

[MBoza]

The payload on the F150 is 1999 lbs and Expo is 1750 lbs. My family consist of 2 adults, 190 me and wife 120. two children 65 and 45 lbs. No pets and 4 bicycles. We travel very light and usually buy the food we need once we get to our destination. My only concern on the F150 is that it doesn't have the HD Tow Package. I looked inside the engine and has two large Radiators. Not the typical little one that comes with older F150s HD Tow Package. Very valuable info gentlemen. Thank You all for your expertise.

Mike

[TWP723]

MBoza -

I've worked for Ford for 27+ years. If you give me the VIN's on both vehicles, I can print you all the specifics including Hbom (Build of material), options, ratios, any warranty work done, etc.

[RedHorse1]

Originally Posted by Country_Mouse

I have a 2004 Ford Expedition with an 8950# tow rating when using a WDH. We are buying a trailer with a 6000 GTWR. I wouldn't want to go any higher than that but we also have a large family that takes away from our payload. Our max payload is 1555#. I have only 700-800# max left for the tongue.

http://www.fleet.ford.com/resources/...s/2004_All.pdf

That was also my discovery when we bought the X23B and pulled it with our '03 Expe. The TT weighed roughly 4400# loaded, no problem right? We're towing about 1/2 of what it could tow. Oops, we were also 600# on the tongue which was shy of the Rear GAWR by about 200#. We would have maxed the rear axle well before getting to the Max Tow Weight.

[TWP723]

Here's the skinny...

2015 F150 5.0L 385hp - 387lb.-ft. of torque 9000lb. tow capacity 14,300 GCWR

It has a trans cooler and an engine oil cooler, 3.31 gears, NON-limited slip (dealbreaker for me), base payload pkg., standard 6-speed trans with TOW/HAUL mode.

2015 Expedition EL 3.5 EcoBoost 365hp - 420lb.-ft. torque 9,100lb. tow capacity 15,300 GCWR.

It has an engine cooler and heavy duty trans cooler, 3.73 gears, locking differential.

Again..go with the Expedition. Especially if it has the Heavy Duty Tow pkg. Towing with an open rear just isn't a good thing to do.

[MBoza]

Thank You!!!