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02-15-2017, 03:20 PM
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Tundra or Ram 1500?
Considering buying a Jayco 24RBS. Dry 5420 and hitch weight 620. 28 feet 8 inches long. Do you think either will handle this trailer well? Seems like not many using the Tundra. I do like the Ram.
I looked at the F150. Seems like the Ram and Tundra are priced much better.
Thanks.
Steve
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02-15-2017, 03:42 PM
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We tow our 27RLS with our Tundra all over the west.. Much in Colorado mountains and have zero issues. We love our Tundra ( our first "foreign" vehicle). It was made in Texas and actually had more American labor and parts than any other comparable truck that year. We do have the tow package, and big 8, double cab.
All that being said, I'm sure either vehicle will give you good service.
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02-15-2017, 03:42 PM
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For grins, I just built a middle of the road Tundra and the MSRP came in at 42K
I know I can build a more capable Ford for that. But to answer your question, all 3 trucks appear adequate.
All I'd really want to see is the payload number for each of the 3 trucks. The tow ratings are meaningless to me. Every new 1/2 ton on the market can pull these lighter trailers, payload is the deal maker or breaker.
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02-15-2017, 04:08 PM
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Take a hard look at the payload numbers on each and review the threads around here that talk about how to calculate the real tongue weight of the trailer. You can't go by the advertised payload on the truck website or Jayco's advertised tongue weights either. You need to find exact trucks you want and find the numbers on the door. I will say that the Ram 1500 and Tundra tend to have lower payloads compared to Ford/GM. They may work just fine for what you want but you need to arrive at real numbers to determine that.
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02-15-2017, 04:22 PM
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Tundra or Ram 1500?
The payload nazis around here will say otherwise [emoji6]but pretty much any half ton truck ever built will handle 7500# with around 1000# of tongue weight, so ultimately it will come down to whatever truck you prefer.
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02-15-2017, 04:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by drk98
I will say that the Ram 1500 and Tundra tend to have lower payloads compared to Ford/GM. They may work just fine for what you want but you need to arrive at real numbers to determine that.
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What he said. Ram 1/2 tons are great trucks but have notoriously low payloads. And I'm not a payload nazi either
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02-15-2017, 04:52 PM
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My Tundra has a payload (per yellow tag) of 1528 and a tow capacity of 10,100 lbs. I don't remember the cat scale readings but fully loaded we were well within the limits, actually below all the limits, with our 27RLS.
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02-15-2017, 04:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by repacs0103
The payload nazis around here will say otherwise [emoji6]but pretty much any half ton truck ever built will handle 7500# with around 1000# of tongue weight, so ultimately it will come down to whatever truck you prefer.
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Totally agree. Which ever is your favorite [I like Silverado's and pull with a 2010 2500 durimax] will get it done. If you are a Ford man or a Ram guy or other, get what you like.
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02-15-2017, 06:15 PM
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My Ram 1500 has 1520 payload and 10,200 towing cap.
I love the 8 speed transmission.
That's 4x4.
I expect any decently optioned half ton will do fine with the mentioned TT.
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02-15-2017, 09:18 PM
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Tundra or Ram 1500?
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Originally Posted by repacs0103
The payload nazis around here will say otherwise
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I see your rather new here but name calling isn't really necessary or done on here. most any vehicle can pull a load down the road. So if payload isn't so important, what specs do you feel are more important? People ask for opinions and get them. not saying a 1500 can't do it but don't call people who bring up payload nazis.... a 1500 should pull the trailer in question fine. But payload is a relevant part of the equation to a great towing experience.
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02-15-2017, 10:34 PM
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[QUOTE=Vaquero;490863]My Ram 1500 has 1520 payload and 10,200 towing cap.
I love the 8 speed transmission.
That's 4x4.
I expect any decently optioned half ton will do fine with the mentioned TT.[/QUOTE
Nice!! You must have the 3.73 rear end. We have the 5.7 4x4 with the 3.55 rear end and it still comes in at 8500. Tows my 5000 pound boat with ease. One thing for the OP to keep in mind is that the hitch is only rated for 5000 pounds and a 500 pound tongue weight so a WD hitch would probably be needed for travel trailer. (Boat tongue weights are only 5-10% so I feel comfortable with my set up even if I have a full tank of gas in the boat.)
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02-15-2017, 11:12 PM
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Big Domino,
Have you considered the Ram 1500 with the Ecodiesel? The Ram is a 3.0L V-6. Ford is a 2.7L V-6.
2015 Ford F-150 SuperCrew 4x4 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel 4x4
Horsepower 325 240
Torque 375 420
Axle ratio 3.73 3.55
Manufacturer Tow Rating 8,100 7,660
SAE J2807 Certified Yes Yes*
GCWR 13,300 13,750**
As-Built Weight 5,160 5,877
***As-Built Tow Rating 7,840 7,573
Fuel Consumption and Cost: Advantage Ram
Here's where the Ram's diesel engine begins to make a lot of sense. For the sake of this comparison, I utilized tow data with both trucks towing the load described above: a fully loaded trailer, bed and cab. Both burdens were nearly identical.
Though Dan's trip last November was much longer, I used his best and worst tanks for comparison to my recent trip in the F-150. About 600 miles of towing were compared in each truck (601.9 miles in the Ram, 607.1 miles in the Ford).
Unsurprisingly, the Ram's diesel was significantly more efficient. It averaged 18.4 mpg while the F-150 averaged 13.5 mpg. But diesel typically costs more than gasoline, so it's the cost-per-mile that really matters. Considering the national average price-per-gallon of gasoline ($2.664) and diesel fuel ($2.854) as of May 4, the Ram's cost-per-mile is significantly lower than the F-150's: 15.6 cents vs. 19.7 cents, respectively.
That's a $410 difference over 10,000 miles of towing. Big enough to sway a purchase decision? Probably not for me when taken in isolation.
Josh Jacquot, Senior Editor
Hope this helps! Towing I would lean toward the Ram but I'm a huge Dodge/Ram fan!!!
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02-16-2017, 12:04 AM
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As others have mentioned payload on the RAM 1500's tend to be lower than other 1/2 tons. The Echo-Diesel is the heaviest of the 3 engines offered on the 1500 and will cost you about 200lbs in payload compared to the 5.7 Hemi. The Tradesman trim level tends to provide the higher end of the payloads. For example a quick check on the RAM towing guide shows a Tradesman Quad cab 4x4 with the Hemi is up to 1490 max payload while the same with Echo-Diesel is only up to 1270.
Here's the link to the RAM towing guide - RAM Trucks - Towing & Payload capacity
Select some options across the top such as cab size, bed size, engine, etc. then scroll down the list to get an idea of the max payloads for the various different trim levels. Bear in mind that those figures assume standard options only - if the truck comes with additional options as most everything on a dealers lot will have the payload is going to be less that what's listed here. Make sure and check the door sticker when looking to see the actual payload.
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02-16-2017, 06:20 AM
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Thank you
Thank you all for your helpful comments and suggestions.
I am wondering if air bags in the rear of a truck would help with the payload constraints? I am assuming just helps with leveling and no more?
I saw a video where these truck guys tested different trucks pulling a heavy load up the highway (7% grade) in Colorado. It seemed the Trunda was pretty load. You Tubdra guys experience this? The truck was optioned more for off road.
Steve
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02-16-2017, 08:56 AM
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[QUOTE=tomnjo;490955]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vaquero
My Ram 1500 has 1520 payload and 10,200 towing cap.
I love the 8 speed transmission.
That's 4x4.
I expect any decently optioned half ton will do fine with the mentioned TT.[/QUOTE
Nice!! You must have the 3.73 rear end. We have the 5.7 4x4 with the 3.55 rear end and it still comes in at 8500. Tows my 5000 pound boat with ease. One thing for the OP to keep in mind is that the hitch is only rated for 5000 pounds and a 500 pound tongue weight so a WD hitch would probably be needed for travel trailer. (Boat tongue weights are only 5-10% so I feel comfortable with my set up even if I have a full tank of gas in the boat.)
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Class IV hitch. Rated at 1100lb tongue weight.
Part of the factory towing package.
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02-16-2017, 09:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdomino
Thank you all for your helpful comments and suggestions.
I am wondering if air bags in the rear of a truck would help with the payload constraints? I am assuming just helps with leveling and no more?
I saw a video where these truck guys tested different trucks pulling a heavy load up the highway (7% grade) in Colorado. It seemed the Trunda was pretty load. You Tubdra guys experience this? The truck was optioned more for off road.
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I have driven on almost every highway in Colorado over the last 3 or 4 years, towing with our Tundra. We have zero issues, no excessive down shifting, able to keep up with any traffic, never felt the truck was straining. Even done the road from Durango to Ouray through Silverton a number of times with no issues. As I said we love our Tundra and would get another in a heartbeat. Our 27RLS is a little heavier than the unit your looking at, also longer. Good Luck with whatever you decide.
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02-16-2017, 10:25 AM
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[QUOTE=Vaquero;491015]
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomnjo
Class IV hitch. Rated at 1100lb tongue weight.
Part of the factory towing package.
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Just curious, do you have the in dash factory electric brake controller? Mine doesn't, but I have the plug ins, and was leaning toward adding it versus the aftermarket units. It costs twice as much but I like that it has the dedicated space for it. If you do, does it seem to work well?
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02-16-2017, 10:30 AM
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[QUOTE=tomnjo;491037]
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Originally Posted by Vaquero
Just curious, do you have the in dash factory electric brake controller? Mine doesn't, but I have the plug ins, and was leaning toward adding it versus the aftermarket units. It costs twice as much but I like that it has the dedicated space for it. If you do, does it seem to work well?
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Yes. I really like the factory controller.
Adjustments are through dash screen and steering wheel buttons.
Stopping is as sure and smooth loaded as it is unloaded.
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02-16-2017, 10:32 AM
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[QUOTE=Vaquero;491040]
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Originally Posted by tomnjo
Yes. I really like the factory controller.
Adjustments are through dash screen and steering wheel buttons.
Stopping is as sure and smooth loaded as it is unloaded.
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Good to know, thanks.
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02-18-2017, 09:14 PM
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Tundra is the only 1/2 ton pickup Consumes Reports recommends because of its reliability; more specifically the lack of reliability of the big three.
On my 2nd Tundra, never had to repair either one. Bought the one I currently own because of the larger engine and over 10K towing ability. I am at my max payload, but have never had a problem with it.
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