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Old 08-10-2013, 06:56 AM   #11
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Welcome Flash828

IMHO - considering your present TV limitations - and the distance / terrain you hope to travel...the 17z will provide a much better towing experience.

Good luck with your decision!

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Old 08-10-2013, 10:28 AM   #12
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With that tow vehicle, I would purchase the 17z. We have a 19h and love the extra counter space, double sink, double axle, and the fact we can load pretty much everything in the trailer without having to worry.

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Old 08-10-2013, 11:15 AM   #13
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We have a 19H and love it. Plenty of room even when the 2 grandsons are along. As for towing I use a GMC Envoy, 6 cylinder. It's a pretty good load for it. Will be looking to going to a full size truck next year. We haven't gone far with it, ususally within an hours drive, but would like a little more stability for long hauls. The 19H has all we need for comfort. Good Luck.
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Old 08-10-2013, 02:38 PM   #14
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I can't speak for the TV you are using, but we have an X19H and we tow it with a 2013 Explorer with the V-6. Our trailer dry is 3660, pounds, and with a full tank of gas, bikes, kayaks, and luggage for 4 people, I venture to say we are at the maximum weight. Our Explorer does a fantastic job; we've never had any worries or issues. We do have some hills in Michigan, we do have strong winds, and anything else that may cause issues while towing. Knock on wood, we haven't had any problems whatsoever. Yes, I wish we had a bigger TV, but I can't justify having poor gas milage all year long just so I can pull a bigger trailer a couple of weeks a year. So, the Explorer it is!! Besides the towing questions you are concerned about, you also have to consider the size of holding tanks, the functionality of the kitchen/ bath, sleeping capacity, awning size, etc etc etc. Buy a TT that fits your family needs, that allows for maximum enjoyment, and that fits your budget; changing tow vehicles is easy. Good luck and, of course, Happy Camping.
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Old 08-12-2013, 06:39 PM   #15
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We pull an X20E with an FJ cruiser (5K limit), including hills, mountain passes, etc. One of the keys is knowing where your engine puts out the most power. Don't expect to cruise along at a leisurely 1.5-2K RPM. Our engine puts out the most around 4.5K, and we've sometimes run it that high. It sounds like you're pushing the engine a lot, but it's easier on the engine running at a higher RPM than trying to lug along at low power/low RPM.

We just finished a 3-week, 2900 mile trip with my wife driving for most of the time. The combo worked great. It certainly takes more effort than a larger vehicle, but it's not unreasonable. Just stay realistic with your expectations.
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Old 08-13-2013, 08:10 AM   #16
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The 19H will tow better=(if you stay within the weight limits of the tt & tv) than the 17 due to the dual axel and it has the same" barn door" as the 17. if the 19 is within your budget the added 2 feet is huge when it rains. It looks like 30% off msrp seams to be the price level for new units as posted many times on this forum. As far as storage goes with 19 you can check the mods section for ideas. Just my .02$ Larry
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Old 08-13-2013, 10:36 AM   #17
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Uggg... Thanks everyone. Was really leaning back to the 17. Then along comes pm1st, monkey and 19H F250 and ruin everything. (sarcasm). We probably will stick with the 17 but I hope I don't kick myself for the 19. The Borrego pulls the pop up around 2000 rpm, but again, no barn door. Red line is 6500. The 19 looks to be about 550lbs more than the 17 before we add our stuff. I one time weighed all the stuff we put in the pup, just have to find that list.
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Old 08-21-2013, 07:55 PM   #18
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Just moved up from popup to a 2013 17Z

We just up sized last Saturday from a popup to the 17Z
This was our second popup.
First was an 8x8 box with 2 full size beds. No couch etc.
Second was a 12 x 8 box with King and Queen, toilet shower combo, dining, and couch made beds also, this popup weight 2400 pounds empty compared to 1700 in the 8x8.
Our TV is an Nissan Pathfinder with a 4.0 V6.
Just towing the 17Z home I could tell a big difference, because of the Barn Door effect.
I would have loved to have a 19 also, but normally it is just my wife and I, but we will be camping at times with our married children and their kids also.
17Z has a queen, and a full, that sleeps 4, = the dinette and jack knife couch make beds for the younger folks.
I will probably never go over the 17Z, as far as size, without buying a larger motor TV.
My Rockwood M2280 (12x8) had more floor space than the 17Z does, but the setup was horrible. Especially after the wrecks I was in. Never again with a popup.
Looking forward to my first trip, in 2-3 weeks, family obligation prevent me from going sooner.
I can hardly wait.

Originally Posted by Flash828 View Post
We looked at a 17z this past weekend, loved it. Also saw a roo 19 since there were no jayco 19h in stock. Love the dual axle and larger awning of the 19's. There is used one that we might look at this weekend. It's a 2004.
Anyway, we are a family of four with two girls ages 8 and 10. Towing with a Kia borrego that is a truck frame, rear wheel drive suv (the biggest one they made) and has a tow rating of 5000lbs. The V8 tows 7500, wish I had that.
How is the 19 in towing? I see it's about 3600lbs before we add our stuff. We pack our 2700lbs pop up pretty light.
Is the 17 too small for four? Am worried about that small Ccc. Is the 10' awning sufficient?
We usually take trips within 2 hours and one long trip a year (about 600 miles) so the larger 19 makes me worried with the extra weight.
What should a look for in the 2004 model?
Any other comments, suggestions...am open.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:18 AM   #19
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We just up sized from a Jayco 1206 Popup to the 17Z. We've been on 3 trips since we got it about 6 weeks ago. So much easier than a popup. 17Z pulled by 2011, Ford F150, V8.
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Old 09-04-2013, 12:28 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by elc7593 View Post
We just up sized last Saturday from a popup to the 17Z

My Rockwood M2280 (12x8) had more floor space than the 17Z does.
That is also my fear. The coleman is pretty large. Since there is no cabinets hanging from the walls it's very open inside. I wouldn't miss the take down though, king beds, yes. Seemed like every trip last year it rained while packing up.

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