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Old 10-05-2016, 08:17 AM   #1
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Ways to save weight

Something I've been thinking about today, as it's a situation that will likely come up soon for me...

My wife is adamant that one of the ways our kids (12 and 14) will enjoy camping in our new (to us) X17Z more is if they get to bring a friend along. I get this idea, but, as many of you know, when you have an X17Z you have to be a "weight nazi". I only have 100 to 150 lbs of payload room remaining in the TV when it's just me and my family, and there's only about 450 lbs remaining in the camper when it's empty. If you add an extra kid or two to the vehicle, you're actually over the limit in the TV. I don't have a problem with being 50 lbs or so over in the TV, but it would mean I wouldn't be able to put any more cargo in it. So, I'm trying to think of things to remove in the camper, to give myself more CCC. Here's what I've thought of so far:

-Drain the water heater. This should give me about 40 lbs.
-Remove one propane tank. That's 35-40 lbs. if the tank was full.
-Leave the dinette table at home. Seems silly, but my son will likely sleep in a tent with his friend, and that thing probably weighs at least 30-40 lbs. We'll eat meals at the campground picnic table anyhow.

Doing two of those three would give me back enough weight for the ice chest I would normally put in the TV. In this case, I'd probably just load the camper fridge with food and drinks, and put a couple of ice packs in it to use it like an ice chest until we can get it plugged in at the campsite.

Any other ideas that don't involve removing vital pieces of the camper?

PS: I suspect some of you will read this and think that it's obvious we bought the wrong camper if I have to think about this kind of stuff. That's a fair thought, but we bought used because we didn't want to shell out new camper prices. Thus, we didn't have a large amount of choices. Our X17Z is in fantastic shape, and we were convinced that we wouldn't find one better. It works perfectly for the four of us, so I'm just trying to make it work for more passengers.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:28 AM   #2
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I am a bit of a "weight Nazi" myself. My DW on the other hand is the exact opposite. We have started to either put the food in the fridge with some freeze packs to keep cool or we just wait till we get to the campsite and run to the grocery store after we set up. That way you lose the weight of the food and the cooler. I am not sure what you use for dishes, but when we have lots of folks we switch to disposable plates, cups and silverware. Saves trouble on cleanup and drops a little weight. Are you going to use the table area as a bed? In my past experience the table is the base for the bed so I am not sure if you will need that or not. Just a few thoughts for you.
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Old 10-05-2016, 08:55 AM   #3
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Pull 100% of the gear from all of the storage cubbies. Anything that is not ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY gets left behind. You'd be surprised at what was once considered a requirement....


Rethink food; Canned vs. dehydrated 10-30lbs. Cans/bricks/bottles of soda or juice drinks? Several cans of Kool-Aid or Wyler's - not haul in the water.


Get the kids involved: Give them a max weight they can have. Show 'em how to use the bathroom scale. Maybe a reward for the one who can live with the least load?
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I am a bit of a "weight Nazi" myself. My DW on the other hand is the exact opposite. We have started to either put the food in the fridge with some freeze packs to keep cool or we just wait till we get to the campsite and run to the grocery store after we set up. That way you lose the weight of the food and the cooler. I am not sure what you use for dishes, but when we have lots of folks we switch to disposable plates, cups and silverware. Saves trouble on cleanup and drops a little weight. Are you going to use the table area as a bed? In my past experience the table is the base for the bed so I am not sure if you will need that or not. Just a few thoughts for you.
We actually use reusable plastic bowls, plates and forks/knives. They weigh very little, so I'm not sure we'd save much by switching to paper. I like the thought, though. We did talk about doing all shopping after we get there. That might help, particularly if we don't load up with bottled water, sodas, etc.

If my son brings a friend, they would most likely sleep in a tent outside. He's a Boy Scout and likes that sort of thing. If my daughter brings a friend, they'd share one of the actual beds. So, the dinette could be ditched without being missed too much.
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Get the kids involved: Give them a max weight they can have. Show 'em how to use the bathroom scale. Maybe a reward for the one who can live with the least load?
I love this idea.
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Steve,

IMO a trip to a CAT scale under "loaded" TV/HTT conditions will confirm your actual base loaded weight conditions......., guessing can be a little stressful when attempting to reduce and/or relocate cargo weight. You "might" find that you have more "available" cargo capacity then originally thought.

The CAT results will confirm proper cargo placement thus insuring enhanced TV handling, especially during less then ideal towing conditions. Also, confirming that the X17Z maintains a 10% to 15% loaded tongue weight (of gross weight) is important when placing cargo to the rear of the HTT's single axle. One might find that a 13% to 15% tongue weight range more desirable with weights approaching a TV or HTT's respective GVWR.

CAT scale 'how-to': http://www.jaycoowners.com/forums/f3...v-tt-3871.html

Just food for thought.

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IMO a trip to a CAT scale under "loaded" TV/HTT conditions will confirm your actual base loaded weight conditions......., guessing can be a little stressful when attempting to reduce and/or relocate cargo weight. You "might" find that you have more "available" cargo capacity then originally thought.
This is something I've been thinking about as well. The dealer we purchased from has a scale, and I'm pretty sure they mentioned we could have access to it. It would likely require a side trip, but it's probably worth it.
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Of course, one way to solve all of these problems is just to take two vehicles if the kids bring friends. If we do the "friend camping" thing we most likely would go to one of two different state parks -- one is 45 minutes away and one is about 75 minutes away. No big deal on either of them.
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2 Vehicles would be the ideal weight solution. Put all of the luggage in the second vehicle and no worries.
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X2. I would think a trip with a friend would be shorter.

I would load a 2nd vehicle with passengers and anything else considered over the trailer/ tv limit.
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