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03-30-2017, 06:31 AM
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Location: SE Florida
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New to this world & Quality control shocked!
Hello all,
We're looking to join the camping world after selling our boat which we kept at a campground. This will be our first mh so I have been researching like crazy and lurking here for the last couple months. I appreciate all the great info here so thanks for that!
We found a couple Jayco models we like in the eagle hawk and their new envoy 200 (anyone know why only a few dealerships carry the 2018 envoy and why those dealerships are not regular Jayco dealers? Near us la mesa rv carries them and not the actual local Jayco Dealer)
Anywho after much research I simply can't understand what I'm seeing. It seems to be a luck of the draw to get a unit that actually works as it should & im having a hard time getting past that. I simply have no desire to get into a stressful situation and run around yet we very much want one to explore our new home state of Florida.
I recently downloaded a brochure from Jayco.com and was contacted direct from them. I replied to them with my shock over all the problems their customers seem to have and I'm curious to the response I receive if any.
How do you all get past this situation which I'm having a hard time finding acceptable?
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03-30-2017, 06:52 AM
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Welcome.
Also keep in mind you are going to hear about the problems at places like this. You rarely see new discussions posted where people have nothing to address. Things get missed and mistakes made but they can normally be corrected. Also keep in mind they have to crank them out pretty fast. If you wanted a camper that they took a month to build rather than a day or two start to finish as it made it's way down the production line, then you very well might be priced out of the market because it would run well in to the 6 figures.
I am sure we will find a thing here and there with our new camper but so far the only issues we have found were really minor.
The locking arm on the lock for the outdoor kitchen was too short so there was no way to lock the door. That was a design flaw in the wrong lock is being used not shoddy workmanship. Because of the door design they couldn't have drilled the hole for the lock in a better position. The rubber molding that covers screws for outside trim was either too short or wasn't secured properly and a part of it got ripped off. That fix took longer for the dealer to round up a ladder to address it than to actually change out the molding. That one would fall under workmanship as it should have been noticed when the person installed it that it was too short or not secured properly. If I had to fix it, It would have taken 5 min and maybe $20 in supplies.
The one thing mentioned that you have to keep in mind is that these units go through a lot. They are quickly assembled (all brands are) to keep costs low. They are built with weight in mind which restricts how heavy and strong the materials are that are used. Then the go through an earthquake every time you take them somewhere.
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03-30-2017, 06:54 AM
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Welcome from Alabama!
All RV makes are prone to failures. There is no way around it. They are rolling earthquakes. Jayco is an overall solid brand in terms of product reliability and customer care. Their products have their fair share of issues, but Jayco is far from the worst RV manufacturer. My uncle had a massive Newmar MH that he bought new and paid a kingdom for. It sat in a dealer shop for its first year. He really never got to use it. He sold it and bought a TT. So even the "top brands" have issues. You will have issues. Anyone who tells you otherwise is not shooting straight.
At their price point, Jayco products are a solid value. If you make a purchase, follow all of the recommended maintenance procedures, baby it on the road and in camp, and determine the "little things" that you can do to enhance the longevity of under-built or heavily used/stressed components and/or design elements. There are a lot of things people do that quicken the decline of their vehicles: "herking" on handles; slamming doors and hatches; jerking "motion" furniture into place; over-cranking dials and handles; taxing the powertrain, chassis, and suspension with high speeds, hard braking, and over-loading; etc.... I find that taking the time to be conscious of how parts are designed and then use them within the tolerances of their design gives me greater longevity in all of the products that I purchase. It is a PIA at times, and there are some parts and assembly elements that are so ridiculously cheap that you can't win for losing. In these cases, I replace and/or rebuild. With Jayco those super cruddy elements are fewer than most of the units in their market segment.
So far, we are very happy with our Jay Feather. We see its weak points, and like I said, we handle with care. When we visit dealers and go to RV shows, we can see the difference in our Jayco over many other brands. That is a good feeling after getting completely bamboozled on our last RV, prior to becoming Jayco customers.
Hope you find what will work best for you! Keep us posted.
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03-30-2017, 07:14 AM
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As sennister mentioned, you'll mostly hear complaints online. I think the top 2 things one can do is to a) Select a reputable dealer, b) Learn and understand as much as you can about the rig and the systems contained within. You can learn a lot about RV's on YouTube. The video topics on there seem to be endless. Do a thorough PDI with a checklist.
I think a lot of the frustration comes from the loooong wait time associated with scheduling repairs. Jayco is very good about approving warranty repairs in a timely manner, although many dealers I read about here try to put the blame on Jayco for the amount of time it takes to get warranty repairs done. It's often measured in weeks and months, not days. It's often more satisfying to address the small issues yourself.
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03-30-2017, 07:32 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LOCAL_SEO
Hello all,
We're looking to join the camping world after selling our boat which we kept at a campground. This will be our first mh so I have been researching like crazy and lurking here for the last couple months. I appreciate all the great info here so thanks for that!
We found a couple Jayco models we like in the eagle hawk and their new envoy 200 (anyone know why only a few dealerships carry the 2018 envoy and why those dealerships are not regular Jayco dealers? Near us la mesa rv carries them and not the actual local Jayco Dealer)
Anywho after much research I simply can't understand what I'm seeing. It seems to be a luck of the draw to get a unit that actually works as it should & im having a hard time getting past that. I simply have no desire to get into a stressful situation and run around yet we very much want one to explore our new home state of Florida.
I recently downloaded a brochure from Jayco.com and was contacted direct from them. I replied to them with my shock over all the problems their customers seem to have and I'm curious to the response I receive if any.
How do you all get past this situation which I'm having a hard time finding acceptable?
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We purchased a 2016 Jayco Melbourne on a Mercedes Sprinter chassis. We purchased from a reputable local dealer (NOT CW). The issues we have had are minor and the dealership is great to work with. Friends bought a Dynamax Isata (essentially the same rig, but $30,000 more expensive. They have had nothing but problems, the latest being electrical in the house portion. So like others have mentioned, it doesn't necessarily depend on the pricing of the rig. I am very happy with Jayco and it came with a 2 year warranty. Not sure if it still carries a 2 year warranty since being bought by Thor?
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03-30-2017, 07:34 AM
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Junior Member
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Thanks for the quick replies! As I mentioned this would be our first, any thoughts on hiring a professional for the PDI walk through?
I get that people will rant about problems but it just seems way out of wack. If people never posted the good you would never find good reviews for any product or service out there and that simply is not the case. Not saying your wrong, as I'm new to is world, just basing my view against every other product or service in the world.
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03-30-2017, 07:38 AM
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We have a 2016 Jayco 31S Class C. We have had little/minor issues that were quickly resolved by the great guys in tech service at Jayco. Our biggest issue has been the furnace which once we get. Back from our 3 month trip, it will be replaced by them. IMHO I would look at Class C models as well as the TT.
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03-30-2017, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by LOCAL_SEO
Thanks for the quick replies! As I mentioned this would be our first, any thoughts on hiring a professional for the PDI walk through?
I get that people will rant about problems but it just seems way out of wack. If people never posted the good you would never find good reviews for any product or service out there and that simply is not the case. Not saying your wrong, as I'm new to is world, just basing my view against every other product or service in the world.
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Welcome to the forum and congratulations on the move out of the boat and to a Jayco.
If you've seen this site's PDI checklist and find it confusing/overwhelming, a PDI professional might be good idea for you.
More to the point of your post: In my opinion, most people do not spend time before purchases researching in forums like this. They usually talk to friends, relatives, salesmen, visit RV shows, and read brochures before buying.
Most people that join forums like this are looking for camaraderie, or need/want guidance with operating their RV, or they want to vent their problem(s) with their RV. Very often (most often?) the venting is because a dealer is not handling a warranty issue to the owners satisfaction - not fast enough, not professional enough, or the dealer is too far away.
The vast majority of owners don't join a forum. Why? Because they are having a great time and have no problems with their RV. A May 2016 press release says that Thor (owns Jayco) sold 374,246 units in one year*. I would hazard a guess that 1% or less of those owners join ANY forum for ANY reason. My point: That is too small of a sample size and not random enough to make meaningful conclusions.
(* With Jayco's 2 year warranty, that would mean ~740,000 units under warranty every year.)
A further thing about venting/rants: They live forever online. IMO, many (most?) are resolved to the owner's satisfaction, but there is no 'closure'. The person never gets back to the forum with that info; only the venting remains to be discovered by searches.
Most of us here in the JOF would say Jaycos are not error free, but offers excellent 'bang for the buck' compared to other RV manufacturers. And your research in this forum should have revealed situations where Jayco went 'above and beyond' the expected to resolve problems.
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SOLD: 2006 Ford F350 PSD, 4WD, CC, LB, SRW, Camper pkg., 375,000mi
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03-30-2017, 09:20 AM
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Glad to hear you have had minimal issues! I could live with that (especially in S Florida).
Travel trailer is not an option as we really don't want to buy a tow vehicle (we have a Jeep Wrangler now which we love).
Anyone familiar with the 2018 envoy models they came out with and why the regular Jayco dealers are not selling them? Here in south east Florida north trail rv is the Jayco dealer yet they don't have them & la mesa rv which is not listed as a Jayco dealer on the Jayco site seems to be the only one that does.
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03-30-2017, 09:21 AM
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You have every reason to be concerned with the purchase of a new RV of any brand. This link will give you the first in a series of 8 articles from an industry expert concerning the current state of the RV industry.
Opinion: The RV industry death spiral – Part 1 | RV Daily Report
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03-30-2017, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmanAZ
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on the move out of the boat and to a Jayco.
If you've seen this site's PDI checklist and find it confusing/overwhelming, a PDI professional might be good idea for you.
More to the point of your post: In my opinion, most people do not spend time before purchases researching in forums like this. They usually talk to friends, relatives, salesmen, visit RV shows, and read brochures before buying.
Most people that join forums like this are looking for camaraderie, or need/want guidance with operating their RV, or they want to vent their problem(s) with their RV. Very often (most often?) the venting is because a dealer is not handling a warranty issue to the owners satisfaction - not fast enough, not professional enough, or the dealer is too far away.
The vast majority of owners don't join a forum. Why? Because they are having a great time and have no problems with their RV. A May 2016 press release says that Thor (owns Jayco) sold 374,246 units in one year*. I would hazard a guess that 1% or less of those owners join ANY forum for ANY reason. My point: That is too small of a sample size and not random enough to make meaningful conclusions.
(* With Jayco's 2 year warranty, that would mean ~740,000 units under warranty every year.)
A further thing about venting/rants: They live forever online. IMO, many (most?) are resolved to the owner's satisfaction, but there is no 'closure'. The person never gets back to the forum with that info; only the venting remains to be discovered by searches.
Most of us here in the JOF would say Jaycos are not error free, but offers excellent 'bang for the buck' compared to other RV manufacturers. And your research in this forum should have revealed situations where Jayco went 'above and beyond' the expected to resolve problems.
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Your correct, I did find happy campers that Jayco took care of. I also found many where the poster felt Jayco left them hanging ...
But I do get the point and glad to see all you happy Jayco customers, that does give some relief. We really would like to move forward and you are all definitely making me feel better about Jayco.
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03-30-2017, 09:38 AM
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Location: Twin Cities
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LOCAL_SEO
Thanks for the quick replies! As I mentioned this would be our first, any thoughts on hiring a professional for the PDI walk through?
I get that people will rant about problems but it just seems way out of wack. If people never posted the good you would never find good reviews for any product or service out there and that simply is not the case. Not saying your wrong, as I'm new to is world, just basing my view against every other product or service in the world.
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True there are people that do good reviews. However like jloco mentioned, sometimes complaints might be misdirected. As I said, because of cost and weight issues you are going to find problems. They can't build these things like a house because of weight. They can't build them out of exotic honeycomb carbon fiber because of cost. All manufacturers are limited by this so you will likely run into similar issues across all brands. Sure some might do somethings a little different like Jayco seemed to do more with cabinet construction which was stronger and better than other brands I looked at when we were at the RV Show. They also have a standard 2 year warranty but it isn't transferable (if you are thinking used) and it isn't the only company that offers it. So don't make the warranty the only reason you went with Jayco.
As jloco mentioned, one of the biggest challenge with fixing issues isn't so much that there was an issue but rather the warranty process. You will see a lot of contradiction on this but from what I have read it normally isn't a holdup on Jayco's part. The issue is that dealers seem to be swamped and work is backlogged. So some people get lucky and have great dealer support where others have crappy dealers. In shopping I looked at dealer comments as much if not more than the quality of Jayco in general. When it comes to things like appliances. There are only a couple manufacturers of fridges, AC units, furnaces and such so across all the brands you are going to find the same names and models. So in the case of these big appliances it really doesn't matter much. Every company will construct things a little different. Then dealers support can be all over the place. Maybe we are lucky but in looking at the reviews of our dealer they were almost all 5 stars. There are always a couple of negative reviews but they have responded to the review in every case. So for every hour you look into comparing brands I would spend at least as much time in looking into the dealers and their service area. After all that is the company you will be working with directly. Not Jayco. Try and find out what kind of backlog you can expect in the summer. If it is a small issue you will have to decide is it something you just fix on your own or are you fine with living with the issue until you can get several items to make it worth your while to take it in. That said, another thing to ask the dealer is do they have an issue limit. Some dealers limit the number of issues that can be addressed in a scheduled appointment. Not all of them but I suspect it is again a workload issue but some dealers may say that for any given appointment they will only deal with up to 10 issues. Seems odd to me but worth asking about.
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03-30-2017, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by LOCAL_SEO
Glad to hear you have had minimal issues! I could live with that (especially in S Florida).
Travel trailer is not an option as we really don't want to buy a tow vehicle (we have a Jeep Wrangler now which we love).
Anyone familiar with the 2018 envoy models they came out with and why the regular Jayco dealers are not selling them? Here in south east Florida north trail rv is the Jayco dealer yet they don't have them & la mesa rv which is not listed as a Jayco dealer on the Jayco site seems to be the only one that does.
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It is hard to say. It doesn't look like our dealer sells them either. They pretty much sell only Jaycos but I don't see Envoy listed. How does it differ from maybe a Greyhawk or Redhawk? Honestly I never really looked at Class C because we have a tow vehicle big enough to pull a TT and I like having a vehicle when I get there without having to buy a Class C and look for something to pull behind it. Really personal preference which is why both are made.
Looking at Jayco's website and under Class C RV I don't see Envoy listed either but a google search results in models for sale. So can't really help out much more.
You didn't mention what models you were looking at but I found this.
26' Envoy $63K
26' Redhawk $63K
So they are the same price meaning I would classify the two as basically similar units. I couldn't compare the floor plan on the Envoy though as I didn't see one. Maybe Envoy is a rebranded Redhawk that is simply sold outside the normal dealer networks or something. That is total speculation on my part but some companies do things like that.
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03-30-2017, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by sennister
It is hard to say. It doesn't look like our dealer sells them either. They pretty much sell only Jaycos but I don't see Envoy listed. How does it differ from maybe a Greyhawk or Redhawk? Honestly I never really looked at Class C because we have a tow vehicle big enough to pull a TT and I like having a vehicle when I get there without having to buy a Class C and look for something to pull behind it. Really personal preference which is why both are made.
Looking at Jayco's website and under Class C RV I don't see Envoy listed either but a google search results in models for sale. So can't really help out much more.
You didn't mention what models you were looking at but I found this.
26' Envoy $63K
26' Redhawk $63K
So they are the same price meaning I would classify the two as basically similar units. I couldn't compare the floor plan on the Envoy though as I didn't see one. Maybe Envoy is a rebranded Redhawk that is simply sold outside the normal dealer networks or something. That is total speculation on my part but some companies do things like that.
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There isn't a lot out there on the Envoy yet. What little I could see on some dealer websites it seems that the Envoy is similar in price and feature set to a Redhawk but with a more modern styled interior. The front cap is a lot different too. I like Envoy styling but I don't want that glass on the front cap. Talk about hot and bound to be leak prone.
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03-30-2017, 12:13 PM
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OldmanAZ is spot on as usual.
The only really concerning issue we had with our new Jayco was some of the plumbing lines, both the drains and some of the water lines themselves were not tight and some of them leaked a bit until we tightened up the connections. That's the first thing I check every spring, regardless of the camper we own. An undiscovered water leak can be a fatal problem for any camper. Everything else, for the most part, is easily correctable.
For what it's worth (FWIW) I have had almost zero problems with our Jayco unit. It hasn't been 100% perfect, but neither are any of the homes I've purchased.
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03-30-2017, 12:16 PM
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Just when I was starting to feel better about things. I read part 1 & 2, so much for feeling better about things....
The plan was to go new but now I'm reconsidering. I know Thor bought out Jayco so am I better off purchasing a model built before Thor got involved?
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03-30-2017, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LOCAL_SEO
Just when I was starting to feel better about things. I read part 1 & 2, so much for feeling better about things....
The plan was to go new but now I'm reconsidering. I know Thor bought out Jayco so am I better off purchasing a model built before Thor got involved?
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The Jury is still out on the Thor acquisition. I picked up one of the last non-Thor units at my dealer. The dealer said with pride 'this is one of our last real Jayco's'
I don't know if that was a good thing, or not.
Thor also owns Airstream, so they know how to build quality units. It's a decision only you can make. Take some confidence in the 2 year warranty.
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03-30-2017, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by drk98
There isn't a lot out there on the Envoy yet. What little I could see on some dealer websites it seems that the Envoy is similar in price and feature set to a Redhawk but with a more modern styled interior. The front cap is a lot different too. I like Envoy styling but I don't want that glass on the front cap. Talk about hot and bound to be leak prone.
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Good points on the window in he cap, must admit I was liking that look and the thought of extra light.
We were actually looking at the envoy 200, I'll assume then that's probably a knock off of the eagle hawk.
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03-30-2017, 02:54 PM
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I downloaded a brochure from Jayco the other day and was contacted yesterday from them.
Thank you so much for your interest in Jayco Motorized- the quietest riding, best handling motorhomes on the market today. Period.
My name is Xxx, and I am a Jayco representative here at the factory. I received a notification that you downloaded a Class C brochure from our website, and I wanted to send you my contact information. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, or if there is anything else I can do for you. If you would like me to send you a hard copy of the brochure you downloaded, let me know and I will get it in the mail.
Your information has also been forwarded to your local dealer, North Trail RV Center in Fort Lauderdale. If you have any questions regarding pricing, or if you would like to take a look at a coach in person, they will be able to get you taken care of.
We would love the chance to earn your business, so please do not hesitate if I can help in any way.
Have a great day!
Business Development Manager
Entegra Coach/ Jayco Motorized
So I shared my concerns, I'll be interested to see if I actually get a reply.
Hello xxx,
We do very much like the look and layout of the eagle hawk. This would be our first motor home purchase which has me doing a ton of research on the travel forums. I'll be honest with you, what I have seen concerns me. It very much seems to be a crap shoot on whether consumers are receiving units that operate as they should, especially for brand new. Story after story of leaks, cracks and quality control issues on units just purchased (not just Jayco, this seems to an industry wide issue for the mass producers like yourself). In some cases it seems Jayco very much steps up to the plate and takes care of the issues, but several have complained they have been left hanging with the situation.
So I am in a bit of a conundrum when it comes to making a decision. We are very interested in making a purchase but have no desire to deal with a bunch of hassles, headaches and finger pointing which seems to be very common in that world. My expectations as crazy as they may be are if I purchase a brand new vehicle it should be flawless in every operational way. If I make a purchase and have to make payments while not being able to use it as it sits at a dealership would not make me a happy camper so to speak.
I'm very interested in your response Xxx, I would like to do business with your company but have no desire to deal with stress.
Thanks for reaching out,
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03-30-2017, 03:21 PM
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So I shared my concerns, I'll be interested to see if I actually get a reply.
Hello xxx,
We do very much like the look and layout of the eagle hawk. This would be our first motor home purchase which has me doing a ton of research on the travel forums. I'll be honest with you, what I have seen concerns me. It very much seems to be a crap shoot on whether consumers are receiving units that operate as they should, especially for brand new. Story after story of leaks, cracks and quality control issues on units just purchased (not just Jayco, this seems to an industry wide issue for the mass producers like yourself). In some cases it seems Jayco very much steps up to the plate and takes care of the issues, but several have complained they have been left hanging with the situation.
So I am in a bit of a conundrum when it comes to making a decision. We are very interested in making a purchase but have no desire to deal with a bunch of hassles, headaches and finger pointing which seems to be very common in that world. My expectations as crazy as they may be are if I purchase a brand new vehicle it should be flawless in every operational way. If I make a purchase and have to make payments while not being able to use it as it sits at a dealership would not make me a happy camper so to speak.
I'm very interested in your response Xxx, I would like to do business with your company but have no desire to deal with stress.
Thanks for reaching out,
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To be brutally honest with you, if I received a letter like that, my reply would be on the order of, 'Thank you for your interest in our product. We wish you the best with whatever brand RV you choose.'
I my opinion, you've doomed yourself with unreasonable expectations, that seem to be, as you said "... as crazy as they may be ...". Flawlessness, like beauty, may be in the eyes of the beholder. From your tone, any flaws in today's factory built RVs, will an unacceptable stress for you.
So, hopefully, your pockets are deep enough to have a custom coach built with you overseeing every step of the design and construction. Otherwise, it seems to me, you are not destined to be a 'happy camper.'
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SOLD:2015 Jay Flight 27RLS, GY Endurance (E), Days: 102 '15, 90 '16, 80 '17, 161 '18, 365+ '20
SOLD: 2006 Ford F350 PSD, 4WD, CC, LB, SRW, Camper pkg., 375,000mi
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