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01-01-2017, 07:15 PM
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Tow vehicle GCWR
Does anyone know why the GCWR weights listed in the owners manual totally different than the online towing charts? I even followed the link in the ford owners manual to the towing charts online. One dealer said to go by the manual. The 2013 6.7 1 ton dually dodge was 22,700 and the 2014 6.7 1 ton dually Ford was 19,500 in the book. But the online info was higher on Both. So totally confused.
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01-01-2017, 08:03 PM
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How close are you to those limits? I would use the lower numbers as a safe precaution. Even more so, since I have no direct knowledge
IMHO, I would think the online version would be the more accurate information since the MFGs now publish the more current information that way. Sales guys may not know, ask for a fleet manager or sales manager that has been in the business for a while if no one here gets a chance to follow up
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01-01-2017, 08:37 PM
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I should of posted this in the tow section, but didn't see it until after posting. But never had a 5th wheel, always class A's, C's and smaller tow trailers so all new to me. I don't think those numbers will work. But when I looked online for that dodge it showed 24,500 GCWR and the Ford showed 30,000 GCWR (way higher than 19,500). Both trucks have 373 gear ratios. I was thinking the Ford with 400HP and 373 gears might work. Originally, I was thinking going with a dodge with 410's but just won't be towing constantly with it. But I'm guessing this trailer alone will weigh in at about 15,500 fully loaded. Just want to make sure I have the right truck to be in acceptable limits.
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01-01-2017, 08:54 PM
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Is it possible you're confusing tow rating with GCWR? GCWR is gross carrier weight rating, so truck and trailer GVW's combined.
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01-01-2017, 09:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by repacs0103
Is it possible you're confusing tow rating with GCWR? GCWR is gross carrier weight rating, so truck and trailer GVW's combined.
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I've always thought it was "Gross Combined Weight Rating".
In any case, IMHO the most important weight numbers are the axle weights. With and without the 5th (or TT) tells volumes about how you are loaded.
The CAT Scale is your friend.
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01-01-2017, 09:57 PM
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I was just looking at this online chart for the Ford 2014. http://www.ford.com/resources/ford/g...typu_sep11.pdf It makes me wonder if the manual in the truck I looked at had the wrong manual in it. The online towing chart shows a 6.2L with a GCWR of 19, 500. The one I was looking at had a 6.7 diesel, I know that for a fact.
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01-01-2017, 10:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedHorse1
I've always thought it was "Gross Combined Weight Rating".
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You are correct, they can be used interchangeably... I'm used to the commercial world, and "carrier" gets used a lot to refer to the tractor/trailer combo or cmv (commercial motor vehicle)
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01-02-2017, 04:38 AM
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My 2013 Ram 3500 has a gcwr of 25,000. Max tow of 17,500.
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01-02-2017, 07:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cariboocreek
My 2013 Ram 3500 has a gcwr of 25,000. Max tow of 17,500.
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My bad, the dodge I looked at was a 2012 with the 68 tranny, a typo on the year. But I think the ASIN tranny is better talking with others but haven't came across one yet. The GCWR numbers look better also.
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01-02-2017, 08:00 AM
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Sometimes the print manuals are for only gas with a diesel supplement. There are several options with Rams and each configuration is going to give you a different weight rating. There use to be differences between 5th and bumper pull, but they are not listed that way in the Ram numbers.
My 2014 4x4 is a max tow and tops out at 37,500K GCWR. That is total for both trailer and truck. The trailer combination rating is 29,830 and rear axle is 9750#.
With a 3.73 rear you loose 5K and 3.42 rear an additional 3k overall towing, but the rear axle WR remains constant at 9750#.
The HD Aisin add's 10K to the numbers overall vs the 68RFE.
Again there are over 100 combinations that effect the total's, but agree that the Axle WR should be your first go to since the pin is atop that. Cab, bed, rear ratio, drive and tranny will then give you the rest.
It took me 6 months to find what I wanted used based on all the combos out there.
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01-02-2017, 08:26 AM
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"Sometimes the print manuals are for only gas with a diesel supplement. There are several options with Rams and each configuration is going to give you a different weight rating. There use to be differences between 5th and bumper pull, but they are not listed that way in the Ram numbers."
Your probably right, that would make since why the ford numbers were way off. I know what your saying about the axle specs. The GCWR doesn't mean much if your WR of the axle isn't within limit. I probably should scale that out next time I move it. I'm thinking it not going to be that high though but you can't guess either. Does that max tow package add anything to the numbers? or does that just add to better cooling and such?
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01-03-2017, 09:22 AM
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Max tow does not add anything to the axles. What it adds is horsepower.
Max tow is Aisin, 380HP and 4.10's with a DRW axle and an extra radiator. If you compare my bumper to an earlier gen 4 or non Aisin it is pushed out forward by an extra 1.5" to allow for this.
Just an FYI if you did not know the Ram website allows you to enter VIN's for build sheets which I found very useful in my search as many dealers do not list correct info.
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01-03-2017, 09:36 AM
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Thanks 3's. Yes I'll be watching that GVWR weight also. It will be at least 13000 - 14000 lb. Rated. 10,000 GVWR is not going to cut it in my opinion.
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