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05-09-2011, 07:44 AM
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I have Timbrens on my Suburban.
On my Excursion I had the Roadmaster Active Suspension installed. The RAS helps softly stiffen the rear suspension. What the RAS is , is a long spring hooked up to the rear leaf springs. I noticed an improvement in the ride as soon as I had it installed.
I looked at airbags before I found out about the RAS and preferred the RAS since once it is installed you do not have to do anything to use it.
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2017 Chevy 3500 HD Silverado LT Dually 4x4 .
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05-09-2011, 08:07 AM
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Location: Michigan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daedalus3
snip....... I will contact the dealer tomorrow and see where that conversation leads me......snip
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Rob,
I hope the dealer works something out for you, they should have given you a higher rated WDH in the first place. Tell them the 800 pounders would be great if you towed an empty TT!
The suggestions that forum members posted on rear suspension options are worth considering as well, I have some friends that have done the same and are pleased with the TV ride improvement (they tend to load heavy in the TV; generator, wood, etc.).
Bob
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2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (Strait-Line)
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05-09-2011, 07:43 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Klamath falls, oregon
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Great investment if you tow alot. I dont usually have to use them only when I put my atv in the bed of pickup when hooked to trailer (one ton with overloads). Air bags came with it when I bought the truck. Came with camper tie down system. But would have added air bags if it didn't already have them. Happy camping and welcome.
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05-11-2011, 10:14 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: West Kelowna, BC, Canada
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Well Gentlemen,
I have gone to the dealer and I talked to their service manager. We went over all the options and talked about my issues with the hitch and WDS. We got out the specs on the trailer and he assures me that my hitch is fine for my truck and that those Firestone Air Bags would be my best option.
So, I got a price from him $450 + 2 hrs labour at $109 per hour. Then I would get %15 off the total.
I got a second price from my father-in-laws Dodge Dealership (he is the service manager in Penticton, BC) and he can get the same system for about $50 less but then I have to drive further to get them installed.
I better move as I am in Oliver BC doing a Triathlon this weekend and then the following weekend in the Shuswup camping for May Long.
I will let you all know how it turns out.
Thanks again,
Rob
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05-11-2011, 11:29 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 414
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As like many others (who tow trailers in the "real world"), I would:
1 - Weigh the "loaded" trailer's tongue. This can be done at the formal road scales or by using a simple bathroom scale. For bathroom scale method, surf contents of: http://www.etrailer.com/faq-trailertowtips.aspx
2 - If trailer's REAL tonque weight is 900 lbs (or more), I would get WDS system with 1,200 lbs. And, sell those under sized 800 lbs WDS bars.
Remember that WDS (with 'properly sized' bars) is used for trailer's tonque weight. Air Bags, RAS, Timbrens are used on a Vehicle with NO trailer connected. Yes. Both will work together. However.... Do remember that using "under sized" WDS bars and using Air Bags for correction is not only geometrically wrong but its very dangerious. re: Under sized bars allows too much trailer's tonque weight on TV's rear axle. Thus, less steering traction (on the TV's front tires) and over stressing the TV's rear axle (and its shocks).
If "loaded vehicle" is level and has firm factory suspension (before connecting to a Trailer), I would get properly sized WDS bars. I'd only install Air Bags, Timbrens, RAS on the TV if the "loaded" vehicle (with NO trailer connected) has sag or has factory mush suspension - like my mini-van. If wondering, I installed Timbrens in my mini-van and love them. Especically when my vehicle is "loaded up" (with NO trailer connected) with people and cargo.
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05-12-2011, 03:38 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2011
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http://www.summitracing.com/parts/AIR-60814/?rtype=4
I was looking at a pair of these not too long ago. I ended up with just going with a set of 4 HD Bilstein shocks. My truck kind of bobs up and down when towing, my only complaint. So I'm just stiffening up the ride a bit. But if that still doesn't do the trick I think I may try the airbags in my link. Very cheap and looks like a very easy DIY install.
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05-12-2011, 05:51 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Maplesville - Home Base
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I love my Timbrens. They don't require any maintenance or air or develop air line leaks. And they are guaranteed for lifetime. Although I don't know if that means their lifetime or mine.
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2006 GMC 2500HD CCSB 4x4 Duramax/Allison, Titan 52 gallon fuel tank, Prodigy Controller, B&W Companion Hitch
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05-13-2011, 03:37 AM
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Location: Michigan
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Rob,
First, good luck on the Triathlon! :nike:
I guess I'm not surprised on your RV dealer's response, very few RV dealerships truly understand how to correctly size/adjust a WDH to a specific TV/TT combination for real world "loaded" towing conditions.
I'm reaching here, but lets assume your dealership is using the WDH industry standard of 10% to 15% of loaded TT weight for the loaded tongue weight for his line of thinking. To support his opinion that an 800lb WDH is the correct match for your TT, he would be using the low end of this standard range. What he may be doing is focusing only on the TT's weight specifications, and not considering it's 30'-6" overall length. This is where the 10% to 15% range comes into play....., longer the TT the higher you want to move within the recommended loaded tongue weight range, thus allowing for enhanced handling characteristics with the longer TT while you are rolling down the highway at 65mph.
Many seasoned "tower's" recommend the 13% to 15% on the longer TT's, but in most cases with the heavier/longer TT's IMO 15% minimum is more desirable.
I hope he wasn't basing the WDH 800lb sizing on the TT's dry hitch weight of 750lbs (this also wouldn't be a first).
Do check back in and let us know how you finished in the Triathlon, as well as your towing experience.
Bob
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2018 Jay Flight 24RBS
2002 GM 2500HD 6.0L/4:10 (retired)
2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (Strait-Line)
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05-13-2011, 07:00 AM
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#29
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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I'm with you Rustic.
I've yet to hear the dealer state that one needs to "load up" their TT as if going on a camping trip and measure the TT's tonque weight. This can be done in the driveway using a bathroom scale. The "real world" weight number will clearly state the size of bars that are needed on the WDS system. It's so simple... Yet, I didn't see mention of this rule.
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05-13-2011, 07:24 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Richmond HIll
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TV opine
This is a bigger pic of my TV and TT I use for my profile. This is brand new and right before we took it off the lot.
Members take a look and give me some insight on the set up. This thread has me wondering if I am too low or not.
I am running 1,000# bars.
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05-13-2011, 10:09 AM
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Location: Orange County, N.Y.
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I am no expert, but on my rig the front of the TT is a little lower than on yours. Mine tow great, last summer we went to Disney from NY. we traveled I-95 and at times were doing 70mph before I realized it and slowed down.
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2017 Chevy 3500 HD Silverado LT Dually 4x4 .
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05-13-2011, 10:59 AM
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Location: Michigan
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Spike99
snip......This can be done in the driveway using a bathroom scale....snip
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I invested in a Sherline tongue weight scale (2,000lb rated), and have used it with fellow campers at CG's I camp at. Some have been amazed at their actual loaded tongue weight.
My loaded tongue weight a number of weeks ago was 1,200lbs on-the-money (been that way for years), and I have a 1,200lb WDH. Now, I just added (2) 6V deep cycle batteries to my A-frame recently, and these batteries weigh 70lbs each. I plan to check my loaded tongue weight again with the Sherline scale, and there is the "potential" that I may have to upgrade to the next size rated Reese spring bar.
http://www.sherline.com/lm.htm
Bob
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2018 Jay Flight 24RBS
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2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (Strait-Line)
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05-13-2011, 11:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_in_WA
snip......This is brand new and right before we took it off the lot.....snip
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As you are aware, what's important is the "loaded weight" of your TV/TT combination. Leaving the dealer's lot "empty" won't give you a real world towing picture. Any WDH will have to be re-adjusted under loaded conditions.
But I agree with your suspicions that the 1,000lb rated WDH may be a little under rated, especially if you are loading for a family. The 29QBH is a 33'-3" TT with a GVWR of 9,250lbs. For this size TT you want a loaded tongue weight of 13% to 15% of "your" loaded TT weight.
I believe that you would be better served with a 1,200lb rate WDH just based on the potential loaded weight capabilities of the 29QBH and your family. Visiting a CAT scale after you are under TV/TT loaded conditions would be highly recommended to confirm your weights.
I can't tell from the picture, what kind of sway control came with the WDH?
Bob
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Reese HP Dual Cam (Strait-Line)
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05-13-2011, 02:42 PM
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Senior Member
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Location: Waukesha
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[QUOTE=daedalus3;21024]Greetings,
I have a question. We have a new 2010 29BHS JayflightG2 and 2010 RAM 1500 5.7 HEMI. Our truck has no problem towing the trailer but we notice that the rear end is still more than a bit down even when I use my EQ bars on the 5th rung.
The Dodge Ram 1500 has coil springs in the rear and that gives you a car like feel but they compress very easy once you put weight into the bed. I know that they advertise that you can hall 1,000 in the bed. I have the 2500 dodge and they use the leaf spring and it's a huge differance in feel from the 1500 to the 2500 but it never looks like the rear end is lower if when I have 40 40LB bags of salt in the rear.
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05-14-2011, 05:38 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Saskatoon Sask Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle
I invested in a Sherline tongue weight scale (2,000lb rated), and have used it with fellow campers at CG's I camp at. Some have been amazed at their actual loaded tongue weight.
My loaded tongue weight a number of weeks ago was 1,200lbs on-the-money (been that way for years), and I have a 1,200lb WDH. Now, I just added (2) 6V deep cycle batteries to my A-frame recently, and these batteries weigh 70lbs each. I plan to check my loaded tongue weight again with the Sherline scale, and there is the "potential" that I may have to upgrade to the next size rated Reese spring bar.
http://www.sherline.com/lm.htm
Bob
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Thanks for the URL I have been looking for one of those...
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10-08-2013, 09:02 PM
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#36
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Location: Renton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_in_WA
This is a bigger pic of my TV and TT I use for my profile. This is brand new and right before we took it off the lot.
Members take a look and give me some insight on the set up. This thread has me wondering if I am too low or not.
I am running 1,000# bars.
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That looks low to me. You are pushing that truck hard as you are very close to your max towing weight when loaded. I would adjust it one setting.
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