F-150 with bhbe

[JHerzog]

Originally Posted by Dust

Ok so I think that I have found a truck that I like but I want to make sure that is ok for payload. I can't seem to find a website that will give me payload. I found one that will give me tongue weight but not total payload. Here is the window sticker. And if you are looking at the price keep in mind I am in Canada lol.

Specs on the gas model show 385 HP and 430 ft lbs of torque which should be enough and minimum 3140lbs payload depending on stock suspension which is more than you'll need.

[JHerzog]

Originally Posted by JHerzog

Specs on the gas model show 385 HP and 430 ft lbs of torque which should be enough and minimum 3140lbs payload depending on stock suspension which is more than you'll need.

Sorry here is the web site for the specs

https://www.ford.com/trucks/super-du...odels/f350-xl/

[Ottawasteve]

As you are still shopping, a few facts to consider:

-Current 150/250/350/1500/2500/3500 tow ratings are all based on the J2087 standards. They do not use heavier pounds for 250/2500 ratings
-A Heavy Duty Payload Package (HDPP) F150 will cost about $8,000 less than a similarly equipped F250. The HDPP option costs approximately $1500 more than a non HDPP with the same equipment. This can easily be verified with a little online research, or even actual adds that have been linked on this site.
-A Screw XLT 4X4 with HDPP will give you just shy of 2,500 lbs of payload, which is plenty for the 28BHBE
-Annual gas bill with a gas F250 (or any gas 2500) will be about 30% to 40% higher than with 3.5 Eco with 60 to 80 ft/lbs less torque in the gas F250
-Diesel F250 will cost approx. $9,000 more than an F250 gas and will have less available payload than the F150 HDPP. The extra 450 ft/lbs of the 6.7PSD, would be a nice luxury to have, but is not a necessity for safe towing.
-Trailer brakes stop trailers. The F150 HDPP with properly setup WD hitch towing a 28BHBE will stop in a shorter distance than an F250 (diesel or gas) pulling the same trailer. Unhitched, the F150 stops far shorter than any 250/2500 on the market.
-Good quality hitches such as Propride/Hensley eliminate instability when properly setup. Poor quality or improperly setup hitches and overloading cause instability
-F350 makes sense if you plan to upgrade to a 5th wheel, but if you are heavy enough to need a F250/350, you probably need the 6.7PSD
-The fact is, every time somebody asks on this forum about pulling a travel trailer with an F150 the Fiat Fanboy Chorus tells them they need 3/4 ton, regardless of the standardized J2087 manufacturer certified tow ratings. Test drive the F150 back to back with the F250 and then calculate how many extra camping nights you can have with the family for the additional up front cost of an F250 (plus additional annual fuel costs based on the miles you travel), and determine what is the best solution and most fun to drive. Try the Eco with Sportmode engaged and compare the acceleration. Both an HDPP F150 and a properly equipped F250/350 will pull the BHBE safely and comfortably. Really not a wrong choice, just one that will cost a little more than the other.
-There are many of us that have comfortably and safely towed the 28BHBE with properly equipped F150's and F250's for many, many miles.

[TommyAjax]

In support of OttawaSteve and the F150 argument, here is my 2017 F150 HDPP Lariat payload tag. It is a 1,000 lbs higher payload than my 2014 Ram 1500 Sport.

End of the day, the choice is yours...

[KillerIsMe]

Originally Posted by Dust

Hi all I am new to the forum and am looking to buy my first tt. The wife and I have decided on a 28BHBE and we are now trying to decide on our tow vehicle. I am looking at the f-150 with 3.5 eco boost. I have read a lot of threads on it but I am not 100% on everything and looking for some opinions. I know there are several threads on this already but the fords that have been talked about have a little lower rating then the ford I am considering. I have read that the tongue wait will be way off of what is on the website and figured you guys would have a better idea then me.

Thanks for all the input.

You just have to do what's best for you my Friend. There is a ton of information here but you may have to sort through it and pick out what applies to your situation.

We pull our trailer with an f150 5.0. We looked at and drove a 250 and a 350 when we bought our truck, and money was not an object, but I just figured we would be dragging our Jayco out maybe 10-15 times a year at the most, so that's 30 pulls tops. The f150 handles our 23BHM well - we know it's back there but it's not scary at all. If I had more use for a bigger truck - if I trailered my tractor around or worked construction or did landscaping or snow plowing or hay-baling, or had some other need for the big truck a 250/350 would have been a no-brainer. If I pulled my trailer across the country six months out of the year it would be a no-brainer. But I use my truck as a family hauler, grocery wagon, etc. I haul a little lumber, softener salt, driveway gravel - that sort of stuff - so a big truck for me is overkill. That's just my situation - everyone is different.

[Scott_Trailer_Newbe]

Love my Tundra Crew Max 5.7 with a tow rating of 10,300, but towing my 25RKS loaded to 6400 lbs tells me that's it. Toyota doesn't follow the American 1/2 ton mado. 18" breaks and much beefier suspension, but still, a 3/4 ton would be nice. My work truck is a 2014 F150 3.5 twin turbo, fun truck but would NOT want to tow my 24RKS with it, sorry.

[Ottawasteve]

Originally Posted by dee

Wow, I am pretty new to the forum but didn't expect to see these kind of insults. Very disappointing. It seemed everyone was providing their opinions and some fact, but people sometimes get emotional when trying to defend their choice.

I will say on the fords, every time I was buying a vehicle(2008,2016,2017) I never went with the ford. I don't hate them, just wasn't what I liked at that time or for the price I wanted. I recently looked before buying my ram 2500, and I could t find one of these super duper f150 payload packages. Especially used. Are they special order only?

The problem on this forum is that every time somebody asks a question about pulling a travel trailer with an F150, the Fiat Fanboy Club jumps in with misleading information to convince the OP that towing with an F150 will be unsafe and unstable. Even if someone posts a question about towing with the F150 10spd vs 6 spd transmissions, the FFC jumps in to tell them it is not safe to tow with F150’s or that towing 5000 lbs will make a brand new F150 fall apart. I wish the FFC would take their F150 bashing back to the FIAT forums so we can have factually based discussion on towing with a F150 when the question is asked.

I challenge you to find a single thread on this forum where a poster was asking about towing a TT with an F150, within the rated specs of their F150 or one they were considering buying, and did not get told by the FFC they needed a larger truck for safety reasons. On this forum, the Ford, Chevy, Toyota and Nissan owners generally have more class than to try and scare someone away from buying a Ram 1500 if they are within their manufacturer towing limits. As you can see from the OP’s comments, the FFC is very effective at convincing posters on this forum that it is unsafe to tow with an F150. If anybody suggests that it is possible to equip an F150 with an HDPP or max tow package to increase the capabilities beyond the ratings of the beloved RAM 1500, it leads to immediate insults and the Mods close the thread. This fear-mongering gets tiresome and detracts from some of the excellent information available on this forum.

If someone opts for an 250/2500 TV, of any brand, to pull a 2,000 lb popup camper, I would never criticize or even comment because it is their money and their choice. There are a lot of 250/2500's that have never towed or hauled anything and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What would be unacceptable, is to provide false and misleading information to a poster contemplating the purchase of a Ram 1500 merely because I have the personal opinion that the current F150/F250 Chev 1500/2500 are superior vehicles. Never done that and never will.

The fact is, all the 150/1500/250/2500 (and 150 HDPP) are now rated by the same J2087 standard which is why some brands of trucks have much much lower tow ratings than others. Not all half-tons are the same. The FFC gets upset with actual facts and claim that the HDPP is only available in a 2wd single cab or that they are not available at all but here is a link to at least 3 nicely equipped Supercrew 4X4 XLTs with 2450lbs of payload available on the lot today:

http://www.hannafords.ca/new/Ford/2017-Ford-F-150-81e8d97c0a0e08ba6bcee175feea6abc.htm

Despite what the FFC may claim, the price is not the same as a similarly equipped F250 and not all half-ton’s are the same. The only accurate info from the FFC is that you can buy a cheaper hitch than the Hensley/Propride, but you cannot buy a better hitch that is safer for towing. If the OP decides that it is worth the extra money to him and his family for a 250/2500, great and I hope he has many many trouble free safe towing miles, but I wouldn’t want this decision to be made or influenced because the FFC falsely told him it would be unsafe or a poor decision.

I hope everybody has the opportunity to empty a few aluminum cans this weekend because, now that Chevy is going with aluminum bodies as well, we are all going to have to do our part to ensure there is enough beer cans to be recycled.

[TommyAjax]

Originally Posted by dee

W...could t find one of these super duper f150 payload packages. Especially used. Are they special order only?...

I had to special order mine as there weren't any around me. There were a few in Western Canada (Edmonton/Calgary) when I was looking. Plus I wanted the Lariat and Pano Sunroof. I call it the Unicorn sometimes.

I own a Ram 1500 and the F150 - the Ram 1500 has a much nicer ride and we pulled a 26BH for 18 months with it including two trips from Toronto to Florida (one of those had a sidetrip to Texas), and another trip out to Oregon/California and back. It handled everything well, but I did not have anything in the bed of the truck due to being at the payload threshold.

We wanted a larger trailer and when it came down to the payload to fit what we wanted, the math said the F150 HDPP or a 250/2500. Test drove the 250/2500's and felt how stiff they were without a load. We will be using the F150 as a daily driver more than towing, and all the towing/payload numbers worked in our situation.

Also, there were more incentives (delivery allowances) on the F150 at the time so it was considerably less expensive than a comparable F250, but from what I understand, there are different incentives in different regions. Some areas may have similar prices between the 1/2 and 3/4, but not where I live at the time that I was looking.

[Marcm157]

Originally Posted by KillerIsMe

You just have to do what's best for you my Friend. There is a ton of information here but you may have to sort through it and pick out what applies to your situation.

We pull our trailer with an f150 5.0. We looked at and drove a 250 and a 350 when we bought our truck, and money was not an object, but I just figured we would be dragging our Jayco out maybe 10-15 times a year at the most, so that's 30 pulls tops. The f150 handles our 23BHM well - we know it's back there but it's not scary at all. If I had more use for a bigger truck - if I trailered my tractor around or worked construction or did landscaping or snow plowing or hay-baling, or had some other need for the big truck a 250/350 would have been a no-brainer. If I pulled my trailer across the country six months out of the year it would be a no-brainer. But I use my truck as a family hauler, grocery wagon, etc. I haul a little lumber, softener salt, driveway gravel - that sort of stuff - so a big truck for me is overkill. That's just my situation - everyone is different.

This makes a great deal of sense. Common sense should prevail with a decision like this and my original reply to the OP was as stated based upon my experience with a very similar truck and the same trailer. I don't do many of the things you stated you don't do except I will plow my driveway with my F250 and I am much more comfortable towing with it as well. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is what was mostly posted here.

I am still a very strong supporter of the F150 and their ability but for me, an upgrade was the right move....

[Dropnaduece]

I have the same truck (2016) with 1630lbs of payload on my SCREW. I tow the 25BHS WH and every time we head out on a trip I think I wish I would of bought a 3/4 ton. Yes I will say it pulls my trailer and yes it does ok. However when I'm all loaded up with my family I can definitely feel the tug of the trailer. I know people on here have towed much bigger of a trailer than I have with the 150 but I would never consider it myself. I have been to the CAT scales multiple times and I'm right at 3800 lbs on my axle weight and 100lbs over on my payload. However I do have a family of four with an 80lb dog, firewood, and 2 kayaks in the truck. I can't pack light because I'm crazy when it comes to camping stuff I guess.

End if the day for me I camp 7-8 times a year and I drive my truck 365 days a year and 366 days every four years lol. The F-150 Ecoboost is a sweet ride

Good luck! Without reading this entire post I'm sure you have read enough of both sides.

[Dropnaduece]

Ottawa- The link to the F-150 you posted has a towing capacity of 7100lbs and a GVWR of 6350lbs? Also the picture of the truck has a 6 lug tire. I read the HDPP comes with 17's on 7 lugs. Am I wrong?

[SkyBound]

HDPP came with 7 lug 17s prior to 2015. After that they went with the 6 lug axle and steel wheels.

[bap]

Ottawasteve, are you employed by Ford Motor Co? You have a very narrow mind about other brands of trucks are call people who buy them names just like an employee of a company. Did you own shares in Fiat at some point and loose your shirt? Some of your facts are misleading because the truck your posted the link to can carry and pull less than my Ram 1500 or my father's 2016 Chevy 1500.

[WVDusty]

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