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Old 07-19-2016, 12:52 PM   #21
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suzhou,

The good news is Ford includes a full tank of fuel when calculating their base vehicle weight. Check out this link:


http://www.fsford.net/load_limit-151.html


The bad news is it doesn't matter if you have the Max Tow Package or not. The b-pillar sticker is telling you that the GVWR is 7200lbs and that the payload of the vehicle is 1091 pounds. IF your tongue weight is 800lbs, you only have 291 pounds to cover driver, passengers and any miscellaneous items that you put in the TV.

You really should get to a scale to find out your true tongue weight.

I know it's not what you want to hear, but your better safe than sorry.
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Old 07-19-2016, 01:05 PM   #22
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Thanks again. Not sure where I go from here. I weighed the TT tongue weight with a shearline tongue scale I purchased. Did it several times to be sure. Consistent at 800lbs with not much in the trailer, which is where I expected it to be. Couple of ideas that may or may not work until I can get to a set of scales to weigh my truck. Would it be close to accurate to put my shearline scale on the end of my hydraulic floor jack and just barely lift each wheel off the ground and read the scale. My gut is that the sum of each of the four wheels would give me my total. It fits on the end of my floor jack and if I just barely get each tire off the ground it seems reasonable that I would get an accurate or at least close to accurate reading. You think?? If in the end I am really sitting at only 1,091lb of payload capacity then #%@&!. All I read and looked at seemed fine. The LOWEST payload number I can find in their spec sheets for my truck is 1,520lb. Did not think to look at the darn sticker in the door. They (Ford) don't make this simple, and I tried to pay attention to the charts and specs they publish. Is it even possible to add different springs, lifts, etc to the truck to increase the capacity? If so it would be cheaper than trading in my relatively new (to me) truck... That said, I want to be safe!
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Old 07-19-2016, 01:30 PM   #23
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I'm not that mechanically inclined but you may want to consider trading it in for a truck with more payload, rather than spending money on modifications that may or may not help.

Kind of sucks! But truck shopping is fun too
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Old 07-19-2016, 01:38 PM   #24
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GVWR , GCWR - confused

I didn't have time to read every reply so I maybe repeating things. Advertised payload is just the max payload a truck could have. Typically that means low options. A platinum is a heavy F-150 due to all the factory options (power running boards, cooled seats, sunroof, etc.) We bought a 2014 platinum 2 years ago and I searched across Canada and all the standard platinums ranged from 1050-1100ish payload about. I discovered that MaxTow got you another 400ish pounds of payload so I hunted for one of those and got one with just over 1500 payload (they ranged from 1475-1575 for the dozen or so I got numbers for).

If you have the 3.31 axle, you don't have MaxTow; MaxTow changes it to 3.73 (on the platinum eco-boost model at least. I won't speak for other models)

Payload includes a tank of gas and all factory options on the vehicle. It does not include driver or passengers, any dealer or owner installed options or cargo.

As far as I know, you can't change the payload capacity of a vehicle. All the add ons are for comfort and handling.
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Old 07-19-2016, 02:13 PM   #25
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As I mentioned, Ford does offer a Heavy Duty Payload Package option, which is the only way to increase payload. This includes E-rated tires, 7-lug wheels (which I assume means upgraded axles), HD shocks, upgraded springs, radiator, and trans cooler, and 3.73 gears. Way too much to spend to increase the payload by 1,000#.

And as I mentioned, the lowest payload published by them for your truck (4x4 super crew, short wheel base, ecoboost with 3.31 gears) is 1,300#, which is the Lariat model. The Platinum probably has a few more options, which means additional weight and less payload capacity.
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Old 07-19-2016, 04:33 PM   #26
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And the Heavy Duty payload package wasn't even available on the Platinum. MaxTow was the only option for increased payload.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:17 PM   #27
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The HD packaged F150's had 7 lug hubs up through 2014. When the all aluminum trucks came out in 2015, the HD package trucks only had 6 lugs.

It's also my understanding Ford did not build any HD package trucks in 2015 even though that option was in the books. I further understand Ford did build a few 2016 model year HD package trucks.

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As I mentioned, Ford does offer a Heavy Duty Payload Package option, which is the only way to increase payload. This includes E-rated tires, 7-lug wheels (which I assume means upgraded axles), HD shocks, upgraded springs, radiator, and trans cooler, and 3.73 gears. Way too much to spend to increase the payload by 1,000#.

And as I mentioned, the lowest payload published by them for your truck (4x4 super crew, short wheel base, ecoboost with 3.31 gears) is 1,300#, which is the Lariat model. The Platinum probably has a few more options, which means additional weight and less payload capacity.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:21 PM   #28
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Maybe too much to spend, but I wouldn't say "way too much". The HD pkg was $1,695 more on my 2014 truck. I ended up with 2286# cargo capacity.

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As I mentioned, Ford does offer a Heavy Duty Payload Package option, which is the only way to increase payload. This includes E-rated tires, 7-lug wheels (which I assume means upgraded axles), HD shocks, upgraded springs, radiator, and trans cooler, and 3.73 gears. Way too much to spend to increase the payload by 1,000#.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:43 PM   #29
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Maybe a dumb question but perhaps significant in my decision. The TT tongue weight of 800lb was from using my shearline scale, not when it's connected to the TV. Doesn't the WD hitch transfer some of the tongue weight back onto the trailer? Is the entire 800lb transferred to the TV or only a portion of it? Don't want to split hairs but, we travel light and the TV will in almost all cases have me, my wife, our small dog and a few very light items in the bed of the truck and not much in the trailer. I know the real answer here is to get my rig to a set of scales. The facts seem clear but, if my weights turn out to be within specs with a good estimate on added weight then I might be ok. If not and my assumptions are wrong then guess I'm in the market for a new truck...
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:50 PM   #30
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Suz,

Yes, the wdh does transfer a little bit of the tw to the tt axles. The biggest two ratings to watch if you are that close to the GVWR of your truck are the rear axle rating, and the truck's receiver hitch rating. The receiver rating is based on the actual tw, as you measure it with the scale under the coupler. Not the weight on the truck after the wdh bars are hooked up.
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