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Old 07-19-2016, 07:52 PM   #31
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I would think that if you're considering whether the weight of fuel will affect towing, then you are probably too close to your limit
Just need to skip making the fast food meal a large size!!! Lol

But yes, I totally agree that if one is worried about the weight of the fuel then they need to upgrade the tv.
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Old 07-19-2016, 08:35 PM   #32
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Maybe a dumb question but perhaps significant in my decision. The TT tongue weight of 800lb was from using my shearline scale, not when it's connected to the TV. Doesn't the WD hitch transfer some of the tongue weight back onto the trailer? Is the entire 800lb transferred to the TV or only a portion of it? Don't want to split hairs but, we travel light and the TV will in almost all cases have me, my wife, our small dog and a few very light items in the bed of the truck and not much in the trailer. I know the real answer here is to get my rig to a set of scales. The facts seem clear but, if my weights turn out to be within specs with a good estimate on added weight then I might be ok. If not and my assumptions are wrong then guess I'm in the market for a new truck...
While the load is transferred, the tongue weight doesn't change. If your tongue weight is 800#, then you subtract 800# off your payload. https://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/f...d/14265335.cfm

We've got the same truck as you, but with the MaxTow package. And we also have a close to 800 pound tongue weight, I think we usually run 775. We carry more people than you, 4 or 5. 4 of us weight 365# total, the 5 of us weigh 485#.

The bed has a cover on it and a bed rug in the bed, and those are our only added accessories. We usually put our Weber Q200 in the bed, some boogie boards, and other beach types toys. Not much is all that heavy. With the 5 of us, we are pretty much at our gross RAWR and pretty much at payload. With the 4 of us, we have a bit of wiggle room, but not much. And those 2 kids are still growing so we need that wiggle room for when they are bigger (and the 3rd kid who is already an adult will likely be taking her own vehicle to meet us at that time if she comes at all ).

You should have seen me when buying the truck and telling the sales guy he had to find us one with MaxTow. He's saying, "your trailer only weighs 5500#! We have guys towing 9000 pound trailers with that truck! Your tongue weight isn't included in the payload, you'll be fine!". Needless to say, he did a poor job of finding us a truck with MaxTow, so we drove 5 hours to another city and bought one and saved another $1500 which covered our gas there and back and more.
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Old 07-19-2016, 09:24 PM   #33
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My salesman did a good job finding a truck for me. I was looking for a truck with the HD pkg. Those things were as scarce as hen's teeth in 2014. He knew I wasn't going to trade unless the new truck was a HD type. He finally found a total of 5 up in PA. I live in central Virginia.

And the best part is I didn't have to go anywhere to get the best deal. SIL works at Ford Motor in Dearborn so I get the family A plan. No hassles. Same price at any Ford dealer.

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You should have seen me when buying the truck and telling the sales guy he had to find us one with MaxTow. He's saying, "your trailer only weighs 5500#! We have guys towing 9000 pound trailers with that truck! Your tongue weight isn't included in the payload, you'll be fine!". Needless to say, he did a poor job of finding us a truck with MaxTow, so we drove 5 hours to another city and bought one and saved another $1500 which covered our gas there and back and more.
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Old 07-20-2016, 07:05 AM   #34
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Many thanks to all of you that pitched in with info to help me here. Lots of great insight and experience. Your help here likely saved us from a serious incident while traveling. My path seems clear now. I can't operate safely with what I have. Going to start the hunt today for an F250.
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Old 07-20-2016, 07:45 AM   #35
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Many thanks to all of you that pitched in with info to help me here. Lots of great insight and experience. Your help here likely saved us from a serious incident while traveling. My path seems clear now. I can't operate safely with what I have. Going to start the hunt today for an F250.
Look in the drivers door of every potential truck!!! Or have the salesman give you that amount....

Deoending on how much driving you do with the truck, the mpg usually not a big difference with the steeper gearing (4.10's r whatever they may be for Ford), so consider those for possible future trailer upgrades.

Good luck and keep us posted!!!
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:10 AM   #36
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Is it possible that the P rated tires indicated on the payload placard are a factor in the payload calculation? I saw that another poster in this thread mentioned a ford upgrade package with heavy-duty wheels and tires with a higher load rating. Would simply upgrading to LT tires change anything? I realize 1/2 ton trucks don't have a lot of payload capacity, but 1091# on LT tires seems rather low.
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I don't know. Do the type of tires change the payload capacity? Interesting that if you do a web search you can find discussions on this specific topic - the low rating on the tire sticker vs the larger delta on the GVWR sticker for platinum series trucks. Will read more and contact ford but seems the limiter, per some, is the tires not the truck. Tires are certainly cheaper than a new truck. The limited capacity is listed on the tire sticker, not the truck spec sticker.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:33 AM   #38
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Is it possible that the P rated tires indicated on the payload placard are a factor in the payload calculation? I saw that another poster in this thread mentioned a ford upgrade package with heavy-duty wheels and tires with a higher load rating. Would simply upgrading to LT tires change anything? I realize 1/2 ton trucks don't have a lot of payload capacity, but 1091# on LT tires seems rather low.
Tires are a factor, but in the OP's case, I wouldn't expect them to be the limiting factor.

My P rated tires have a max load of 2039#. My GVWR is 6050#. My payload is 1530#. So my tires could theoretically handle an extra 2000#...but the rest of the truck can't.
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OK, I did some more reading and most posts i see that are from credible sources say yes, you can add LT tires, air bags, etc and perhaps (key word) get a bit higher payload capacity but - you cannot change the max payload rating for your vehicle per the sticker. There is more to it than just the tires. The HD package for my truck also includes different leaf springs as well as different tires so while I might gain a little from tires and improve how they handle under a load vs P tires, I don't think I gain enough to keep me well within specs. We intend to do a lot of traveling soon, just getting started, and my wife is already convinced we need a new truck. Hey, I can't argue with her on getting a new truck. She already went to the lot with me looking for an F250 that she likes. Plus, if I'm going to make a change I don't want to just squeak above the line by a hundred pounds or so and then wonder, I think I just need to get something that gives me plenty of headroom and be sure. Don't want to have to worry if I get the large fries and big gulp while driving.

Again, I really appreciate all the ideas and input here. Thanks for hanging in there with me on a long thread. I've learned a lot.

I would ask about diesel vs gas but I know that is another thread and might cause a fight to break out ;-)
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Old 07-20-2016, 12:35 PM   #40
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Hey, getting the wife on board with the new truck was the HARD part! I was in the same position after taking delivery of a new 2500 and she'd made up her mind on a new fifth wheel. It came down to payload, in that it just couldn't meet the tow specs even though the trailer was lighter than the tow capacity. That darned payload spec...

Now, if you could talk her into the diesel!
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