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Old 10-21-2015, 08:31 AM   #1
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Heating vs Winterising

Hi All,

We can finally store our TT on our property.
We live in SW Washington state and we only get a few really cold (low 30's and 20's) days a year.
Can I get away with putting electric heater and opening all the inner storage doors instead of winterizing?

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Old 10-21-2015, 08:42 AM   #2
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I wouldn't. Just because the heater may be fine for the interior, the exterior will still be exposed to the elements. Not to mention the fire hazard.
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Old 10-21-2015, 08:42 AM   #3
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I`ve done this before I was ready to winterize for the season and still wanted to camp, just make sure you open up the low point drains and drain the outside shower and hot water heater tank.
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One of these years I'll own an RV that is capable of such things. But for now, precautions against ice in the water lines must be taken!
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:36 AM   #5
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Old 10-21-2015, 10:10 AM   #6
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At 32 the lines will not freeze solid, they might get slushy... Below 30 though the lines will most certainly freeze in spots, especially joints and valves. It doesn't take much to compromise the seams on the plastic valves. Been there, done that.

I assume you are at least going to blow out the lines. If you don't and you have an outside shower you'll need to find a way to protect the assembly. Again, been there, done that. I forgot about the outside shower the first winter we had our X20E.

I'm curious to know what you are trying to avoid? Winterizing is at most a 30 minute process. If you are blowing out the lines, for less than $15 you might as well run the pink stuff in and save the cost of the heater and electricity.
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At 32 the lines will not freeze solid, they might get slushy....
Just to get nit-picky, standing water does not 'turn slushy'. Liquid water crystalizes into ice as the molecules give up enough heat to the surrounding air.

If the pipeful of water is exposed to temperatures of 32F or lower for enough time, all of the water will solidify and expand; blowing apart the fittings at each end or splitting the pipe. Considering PEX's inherent flexibility, I expect the hard plastic connectors will fail first.

Once that happens, enough water will leak out of the whole system during the next thaw so you only have one or two fittings to replace come springtime.
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Old 10-21-2015, 06:15 PM   #8
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I am with docbrown. Take the half hour and $15 to do it with antifreeze. I am going for a world record. Winterized in less than 5 minutes.
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I am with docbrown. Take the half hour and $15 to do it with antifreeze. I am going for a world record. Winterized in less than 5 minutes.
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I just got 3 gallons of the pink stuff at Walmart for 2.64 each. Took 10 minutes.
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I've had a dozen or so RV's over the last 20 years and I have never winterized any of them. You can get away without winterizing if you make sure you have heat distributed where it needs to be. I live in middle Tennessee so winter is not too bad. I guess if I lived in Michigan I might have to rethink my winter strategy.
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Remember, haste makes waste.

Do the job right, so you won't have to do it again.
No, it really is a 15 minute job. 20 if you stop a few times to take a swig of your beer.

Regarding line freeze, the lines inside the trailer will not completely freeze at 32 because it's the outside air that's 32. As you said, if it's long enough. In the OP's situation daytime temps are likely to be well over freezing during the day, and night isn't going to be 32 long enough to cause a complete line freeze. That said, there will be enough ambient heat inside to keep it at or just above 32 longer than the outside temps. Just warm enough to make the water inside the lines "slushy". Slushy because not all the water molecules have crystallized.
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We've had several winters the last few years here in north Georgia where we've been in the teens and I'm sure it would freeze them solid. Had a solid week in 2011 where it didn't get above freezing for 8 days. Seems to be more weather extremes lately.

Also, why would one want to spend $100 on electricity in the winter to keep heat in the unit vs $10 to go on and put the antifreeze in it? Unless you are going to use it a couple times a month through the winter, it just doesn't make sense worrying about it.
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We've had several winters the last few years here in north Georgia where we've been in the teens and I'm sure it would freeze them solid. Had a solid week in 2011 where it didn't get above freezing for 8 days. Snip . . .

I went to college in north Georgia and I would winterize my trailer too
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Just blow your lines out. No water, no freezing. Then no antifreeze to rinse out of your lines if you want to camp still.
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Also, why would one want to spend $100 on electricity in the winter to keep heat in the unit vs $10 to go on and put the antifreeze in it? Unless you are going to use it a couple times a month through the winter, it just doesn't make sense worrying about it.
So I don't have to unload everything and I like to keep things warm inside. I don't worry about it and I don't worry about the $100 either. It's just easier for me.
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So I don't have to unload everything and I like to keep things warm inside. I don't worry about it and I don't worry about the $100 either. It's just easier for me.
and I respect that It probably came out in a bad tone, I didn't mean it to.
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I went to college in north Georgia and I would winterize my trailer too
Where at? I am North GA College class of 95.
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Personally, I'd just blow out the lines, and keep two jugs of antifreeze in the garage just in case a major cold snap come a through, or if you might leave for a few weeks.

I know a few people up here that only blow out the lines, and they have no issues.

Also remember, items in the cabinets that might get harmed by freezing.

I do not recall you mentioning what your rig is. Some of the higher end units run the plumbing underneath, so If you choose to heat electric heat might not get to the plumbing. If the pipes run through the unit, leave the cabinet doors open.
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Where at? I am North GA College class of 95.

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