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Old 09-18-2016, 10:24 AM   #41
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I have a whole bunch of Pictures from damage frames to how they fixed things up.
Did you see the brackets what Dexter has in the kits. They are simple U-channel probably a foot long. I still would put a plate over the hole where the existing axle has been. Doboy Dawg did do a nice job welding a plate in the hole. You even can get from Norco cross members but I'm sure they are expensive.
Just search the web for the first generation Norco Ball Frame you'll find lots of info.
It is a good frame but the RV manufactures did cut a few corners.
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Old 09-18-2016, 11:10 AM   #42
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I have a whole bunch of Pictures from damage frames to how they fixed things up.
Did you see the brackets what Dexter has in the kits. They are simple U-channel probably a foot long. I still would put a plate over the hole where the existing axle has been. Doboy Dawg did do a nice job welding a plate in the hole. You even can get from Norco cross members but I'm sure they are expensive.
Just search the web for the first generation Norco Ball Frame you'll find lots of info.
I'm quite familiar with the brackets. I just now order 20 foot sections of the same size channel for less then 1/3 of the cost of the kit and make my own.

I have repaired several of "pre-cross member" frames. I too stopped buying that kit also after I saw what it was and just used a brake to bend my own and dimple die cut holes just like there's to save a little weight and strengthen it. From the ones I've seen and or repaired, I don't think it's so much a bad frame design as that there being overloaded and/or there having rearend drags. Last one I saw, the owner put wheels on the rear because he was scraping the dump and busting the valves. He put so much side load on the trailer and frame trying to turn it while backing it in the driveway while it was on those wheels that it totaled the trailer. He told me that all four tires where off the ground when it let loose so you can imagine the amount of load that was on the rear of the frame. They should of never made any of these low riding frames on trailers longer the 23' if you ask me.

I'm to the point of making my own plates that will address the counter sunk locating holes that are in the Norco brackets. I have tried everywhere to find a one of those brackets to use as template. Norco tells me to talk to the manufacture, the manufacture tells me to talked to my dealer, and the local dealer (who doesnt care much for me) is useless. I've got contacts that have more pull then me that have tried and the best we can do is find new 45 down axles. I was hoping that somewhere, someone had made a drop bracket that mounts just like the manufacture mounted it. A even called Al-Ko who made the axles for Dutchman (it's a Aerolite) but there N.A. division was bought out by Dexter so they told me to contact them.

As a total side note. It seem that Norco had planed to offer the UltraFrame with leaf springs or torsion axles. The mounts huck bolted onto the frame. I've never seen any. Maybe they didn't offer them for a reason. Here's a picture from there patent application for the trailer frame. I will love to just buy a few of those #22 in there.

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Lostone;
With that Norco spring design you have to have 3 cross members close to the bracket points. As on regular spring design the spring is mounted under the frame.
Norco did wanted to built a low design with springs. But I take the Torflex any time over springs. It is a more comfortable ride. No wonder that's all they use in Europe.
The only problem you can only go to a one or two axle design.

On a 31 ft. frame you can't lift the wheels with a pivot point in the back of the TT. I have HD swivel casters but I still have to watch to go slow and not lifting my axles. Here in Canada in the country side the gas stations ramps are smooth and I'm not going off-road to much. But I'm still thinking in raising approx. 3". Have the axle tubing under the frame. It are only 3000 lbs. axles and might order 3500 lbs. Then I can go also to 15" tires. In the lite weight class they go to lite with the axles. A 198RD had even 3500 lbs. axles with GVWR of 5900 lbs.

I think just get your own materials and use your own design you think will fit you. Buying parts after is expensive from the mfg. and is not worth it.
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I'm quite familiar with the brackets. I just now order 20 foot sections of the same size channel for less then 1/3 of the cost of the kit and make my own.

I have repaired several of "pre-cross member" frames. I too stopped buying that kit also after I saw what it was and just used a brake to bend my own and dimple die cut holes just like there's to save a little weight and strengthen it. From the ones I've seen and or repaired, I don't think it's so much a bad frame design as that there being overloaded and/or there having rearend drags. Last one I saw, the owner put wheels on the rear because he was scraping the dump and busting the valves. He put so much side load on the trailer and frame trying to turn it while backing it in the driveway while it was on those wheels that it totaled the trailer. He told me that all four tires where off the ground when it let loose so you can imagine the amount of load that was on the rear of the frame. They should of never made any of these low riding frames on trailers longer the 23' if you ask me.

I'm to the point of making my own plates that will address the counter sunk locating holes that are in the Norco brackets. I have tried everywhere to find a one of those brackets to use as template. Norco tells me to talk to the manufacture, the manufacture tells me to talked to my dealer, and the local dealer (who doesnt care much for me) is useless. I've got contacts that have more pull then me that have tried and the best we can do is find new 45 down axles. I was hoping that somewhere, someone had made a drop bracket that mounts just like the manufacture mounted it. A even called Al-Ko who made the axles for Dutchman (it's a Aerolite) but there N.A. division was bought out by Dexter so they told me to contact them.

As a total side note. It seem that Norco had planed to offer the UltraFrame with leaf springs or torsion axles. The mounts huck bolted onto the frame. I've never seen any. Maybe they didn't offer them for a reason. Here's a picture from there patent application for the trailer frame. I will love to just buy a few of those #22 in there.

I simply used plastic corrugated sign board for patterns and templates. As far as the dimple issues, I recessed my lower brackets 3/8" the depth of the dimple. I filled the dimple in the frame with grade 8 washers.. I replaced all the Jayco or Dexter grade 5 bolts with new grade 8 bolts. All bolted surfaces are solidly joined and bolted with 1/2" grade 8 bolts with grade 8 flat and lock washers.

All metals were rust prepped and painted.
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