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Old 11-28-2016, 09:21 PM   #1
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Weights are in on 16' WH 25BHS & 16' F150

Went to the CAT scales yesterday and was surprised by what I came in at... let me first say I'm a newbie learned everything from this forum and I'm bummed the dealers both car and RV don't tell you this stuff. I bought my truck after the trailer and went with the F150 because of the ads and what the dealer told me and I felt I would be good but the weights are in.. also I never knew to look at a little yellow sticker. I feel dumb, however I have pulled this trailer with my truck all summer with 1/4 bed full of wood over big mountains and have had know problems. No sway, easy drive, and plenty of power. But to go by weights I would feel I'm not in the right category for vehicle and I wonder how people pull 28-30' trailers with an F150. Please keep comments positive and truthful and no dealer bashing or people that pull outside of their limits. I would just like some feedback on the weights. I have put on the RAS and I'm adding LT tires to the truck when funds are available. Here we go...

F-150 Lariat with Ecoboost fully loaded max tow 6.5 bed

Yellow sticker:
Payload 1620
Front GAWR 3600
Rear GAWR 3800
GVWR 7050
GCVWR 17100
Tow limit 11,400

Trailer WH 25BHS
Dry 5160
I believe max is 7200 doesn't matter I'm way under.

TV unloaded with full tank,myself, RAS, and roll up bed cover.
Front 3280
Rear 2480
Total 5760 - which would leave me 1290 left for payload

TV & TT hooked with WDH - also mini fridge in front storage, 2 batteries, and 2 7.5 gallon tanks.

Front 3080
Rear 3680
TT 5900
TW 1080 - I put the trailer tongue directly on the scale

I have a lot of storage space in front with this model and I ended up moving some of the heavier items to over the trailers axle but it's not a lot. What am I missing here??? I only have 210lbs of payload left for my wife, 2 teenage boys, 85lb dog, and firewood in the bed. What the heck I have been pulling all summer this way with no problems but I ask do I have a problem with the numbers I have?

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Old 11-28-2016, 10:06 PM   #2
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Just my two cents. I think you have a good match there.


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Keep in mind the full weight of your tires are technically not on part of the payload (but are included in your scaled numbers), so that will give you a couple of hundred pounds back in your payload. Looks like you might be able to dial up your WDH to return more weight to your front axel, which will have the added benefit of sending some to the trailer axels as well.

Otherwise you are in the same boat as I am, very close on numbers limiting what you can carry in the truck. I was very happy to have my weights were they need to be during a couple of emergency situations. The rig handled perfectly.
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Old 11-29-2016, 12:05 AM   #4
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When you start adding wife, kids, gear etc. into the equation, payload is eaten up quickly. My 2001 F-150 has a payload rating of 1,790 lbs., and is a regular cab, therefore can't fit much in it which keeps me under my payload ratings and able to tow a larger trailer. Your truck should 't have any problem towing that setup, but I would try to transfer a little more weight to the front wheels of the TV.
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I wonder if you measured tongue weight accurately? Was tongue messured at the height when hooked to truck?
I sgree you need to dial WDH so you sre less than 100 lbs different than front axle weight w/o TT.
Payload is usually where you limit out.

I would loose the wood in the bed snd try to tweek a few numbers to get ss close as you can.
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I wonder if you measured tongue weight accurately? Was tongue messured at the height when hooked to truck?
Also, did you measure tongue weight at the coupler or at the tongue jack? Probably only a few pounds difference.
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Keep in mind the full weight of your tires are technically not on part of the payload (but are included in your scaled numbers), so that will give you a couple of hundred pounds back in your payload.
Sorry but this is just wrong. Just because it is unsprung weight doesn't mean you can start deducting its weight from your payload. If that were true you might as well remove the weight of your tires, axles, and suspension components.

To the OP.....

Your loaded tongue weight is around 18% right now. If you repack your trailer and distribute the load better you can get around 300lbs off your tongue if you load for around 13% tongue weight.

5900lbs x 0.13 = 767lbs. That is approximately what your tongue weight should come in at. Try to reduce the amount of stuff you are carrying in front of your trailer axles and head to the scales again.

We have a bunkhouse model and need to pack all our heavy stuff over the axles and most of our luggage in the bunks while we travel or we get excessive tongue weight too.

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Your loaded tongue weight is around 18% right now. If you repack your trailer and distribute the load better you can get around 300lbs off your tongue if you load for around 13% tongue weight.

5900lbs x 0.13 = 767lbs. That is approximately what your tongue weight should come in at. Try to reduce the amount of stuff you are carrying in front of your trailer axles and head to the scales again.

We have a bunkhouse model and need to pack all our heavy stuff over the axles and most of our luggage in the bunks while we travel or we get excessive tongue weight too.

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There you go. Good straight forward advice.
Dial your front axle weight a little closer and you should be good.

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Same thing happened to us - bought the truck two years ago, told the salesman that we wanted to pull a 28BHBE that would max out around 9,000lbs. He pointed us to the 1500 Ram and said it could take a 10,000 lb trailer.

Last year, went to get the 28BHBE and after learning to check the payload for tongue weight, we ended up buying a 26BH to keep it within the numbers. Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed with myself for not knowing this when I bought the truck, and at the "professional" salesperson that sold me the wrong truck. We travel with nothing in the bed of the truck, and keep the trailer around 10-11% TW which works for our setup (no sway and I have not felt uncomfortable)

My truck specs are:
Brochure Payload - 1,450 lbs
Sticker Payload Available - 1,254 lbs (sport package, sunroof, leather, other factory options = ~200 lbs)
Actual Payload Available - 900 lbs (w full tank of gas, me @ 235 lbs, hard tonneau cover, kids car seats, etc = ~350 lbs)
My kids are still young, so wife/kids are good for about 300 lbs, leaving me ~600 lbs for TW - I am probably over by a few lbs.

We have done a couple of long trips and have decided that we need a trailer with a bit more elbow room, and are now looking at getting a 32TSBH, which means that I need to bite the bullet for a new truck. Already, I have talked to two truck sales people who have pointed me to regular 1/2 tons - "they'll pull over 10,500 lbs". Needless to say, I have not talked to them again.

I am looking at the F150 but with the Max Payload/Max Tow package - it will get up to an advertised 2,650 lbs payload and has a posted GVWR of 7,850 lbs. I am trying to avoid a 3/4 ton because I still use the truck 90% for commuting and would prefer the better mileage and softer ride, and we have no intention of getting into 5th wheel territory.
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Sorry but this is just wrong. Just because it is unsprung weight doesn't mean you can start deducting its weight from your payload. If that were true you might as well remove the weight of your tires, axles, and suspension components.

To the OP.....

Your loaded tongue weight is around 18% right now. If you repack your trailer and distribute the load better you can get around 300lbs off your tongue if you load for around 13% tongue weight.

5900lbs x 0.13 = 767lbs. That is approximately what your tongue weight should come in at. Try to reduce the amount of stuff you are carrying in front of your trailer axles and head to the scales again.

We have a bunkhouse model and need to pack all our heavy stuff over the axles and most of our luggage in the bunks while we travel or we get excessive tongue weight too.

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Thanks for everyone's input! What I have done was unloaded the front cargo area by moving the heavier stuff over the axle and put the light equipment in there instead. I also adjusted the WDH which change the weight of the trailer by 80lbs so it must of shifted some of the weight back onto the trailers axle and it added about 90lbs to the front axle. I think I got carried away with the oversized front cargo area plus having the under the bed storage it all starts to add up.

Since I'm new at this I want to learn as much as I can and about the weight because I don't want to just ignore it and hope to be good. Big plus is I have a truck scale just a few minutes away with a three pad and a one pad scale. Also it is not very busy so I can go through as many times I want for free and not be bothered.

I'm going to do some more tweaking and hit the scale one more time to get the tongue weight down to 13% this weekend.

Thanks everyone!
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I wonder if you measured tongue weight accurately? Was tongue messured at the height when hooked to truck?
I sgree you need to dial WDH so you sre less than 100 lbs different than front axle weight w/o TT.
Payload is usually where you limit out.

I would loose the wood in the bed snd try to tweek a few numbers to get ss close as you can.
You know I probably screwed up because I just put the tongue on the scale and it was not level so the downward pressure would of made it heavier.
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We had a similar situation. A 2016 Ford F-150 XLT 4X4, 3.5L eco-boost with max tow. We were towing a 2017 White Hawk 27DSRL. We bought the truck and then the TT. After that, is when I found out about the little yellow sticker on the truck door jam. 1825# of payload. When we put the 2 of us, 100# of stuff, WDH, and 1000# of tongue weight, it didn't leave much. I was always computing weight, re-arranging stuff in the TT to the point that the dear wife threatened to put me in a straight jacket and commit me to the funny farm. So, we bit the bullet and traded our F-150 in for a 2017 F-250 4X4 Lariat. The dear wife has backed off committing me, no more weighing and we can load in the grandkids. I do miss the F-150. Such a nice smooth riding truck.
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Old 11-29-2016, 09:08 PM   #13
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Wow all too funny I'm in the same boat with the wife. We just bought the truck otherwise it would be gone but I do love driving it though. Wife said in 2 years get the 350 by then I'm sure we will be upgrading the TT. For now the 25BHS works well for us and the truck is a beast so I will need to just be good at not over packing which I have a hard time doing cause I'm always prepared for all situations. Boy Scout style prepared lol

It sucks but at the same time it's good to hear I'm not alone when it comes to first time TT buyers. If you heard my story on what I went through with the dealer on the TT you would probably cry. It was bad. I'm not a pusher of more laws but they should make it a law that if your never owned a trailer before that you must read this forum for one week then return with the knowledge you get from real people that are not trying to make a sale.
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Unless I'm missing something it looks like only 120lbs before the rear GAWR is exceeded.
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Your tongue weight is the issue, either your WDH needs to be adjusted and/or move heavy items from the front storage. To my knowledge, 1100# (with WDH) is the limit for almost all 1500 hitches.

It looks like you are almost at your rear axle rating, so even if you feel safe with the load, if your rear axle fails it is quite catastrophic. If you cannot get the tongue weight below 1000#, you should look into a 2500/3500.

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TV & TT hooked with WDH - also mini fridge in front storage, 2 batteries, and 2 7.5 gallon tanks.

Front 3080
Rear 3680
TT 5900
TW 1080 - I put the trailer tongue directly on the scale
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Yeah, you must have done something wrong, your tongue weight is 18% of the trailer. Do you have a picture of your setup on level ground?

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Readjusted and new weights are in...

Took everyone's suggestions and moved some weight in the trailer around then adjusted the WDH. So I went back to the scales and these are the new numbers.

TV hooked up to trailer:
Front Axle is now 3160 was 3080
Rear Axle is 3430 was 3680
Rear axle without WDH bars = 3720
Trailer weight 6850
TW is 940 twas 1080

TV Only:
Front Axle 3280
Rear Axle 2480
GVW 5760
Yellow sticker max payload 1620

Question about tongue weight. My trailer dry is 6115 with a 795lb TW then you add the 110lbs of tanks and about 50lbs with 2 batteries. That alone brings the the TW to 955lbs. Does adding stuff to the center to the back of the trailer help reduce TW? I bought the 25' trailer because I thought it would be light than a 27-31' and I have seen many posts on here where people say there tongue weight is only 1000-1100 on some of these trailers. Does a Jayfligjt 25BHS have a lighter TW then the WH?

Either way I'm hitting the max of my payload every trip but yet I have had no problems towing. Drives real nice and I feel in total control. After the trailer is hooked up I have about 660lbs of payload leftover that I will eat up with my family and a couple of bundles of firewood. I will most likely be upgrading to the F-250 or 350 in a year or 2 so this will have to do for now.

Thanks for everyone's input!
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That is very weird, it still seems like your tongue weight is relatively high, but it must depend on the design of the trailer. I have a 2015 Jay Flight 28BHBE and my tongue weight is between 750-850#, depending on what I load into the front storage. Your axles seem to be in the same place, with respect to the front of the trailer, as mine, but my trailer has much more weight behind the axles.

Why do you have two batteries? I doubt that they weigh only 50# combined, I have a single deep cycle that weighs 90#. I think with some fiddling you should be able to get the tongue weight below 900#, but I suspect not far below.

The Jay Flight equivalent to your trailer would be a 26BHS which has a Jayco specified hitch weight of 800#. For the current year Jay Flight 28BHBE, the specified hitch weight is 660#. The 28BHBE is unarguably a larger heavier trailer (+600#), so it must have to do with the axle placement.

For example, I have an 18' car hauler with a dry weight of 2400#. The axles are placed almost to the rear of the trailer, so with a 2600# car my tongue weight is was over 700# (14%).

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Took everyone's suggestions and moved some weight in the trailer around then adjusted the WDH. So I went back to the scales and these are the new numbers.

TV hooked up to trailer:
Front Axle is now 3160 was 3080
Rear Axle is 3430 was 3680
Rear axle without WDH bars = 3720
Trailer weight 6850
TW is 940 twas 1080

TV Only:
Front Axle 3280
Rear Axle 2480
GVW 5760
Yellow sticker max payload 1620

Question about tongue weight. My trailer dry is 6115 with a 795lb TW then you add the 110lbs of tanks and about 50lbs with 2 batteries. That alone brings the the TW to 955lbs. Does adding stuff to the center to the back of the trailer help reduce TW? I bought the 25' trailer because I thought it would be light than a 27-31' and I have seen many posts on here where people say there tongue weight is only 1000-1100 on some of these trailers. Does a Jayfligjt 25BHS have a lighter TW then the WH?

Either way I'm hitting the max of my payload every trip but yet I have had no problems towing. Drives real nice and I feel in total control. After the trailer is hooked up I have about 660lbs of payload leftover that I will eat up with my family and a couple of bundles of firewood. I will most likely be upgrading to the F-250 or 350 in a year or 2 so this will have to do for now.

Thanks for everyone's input!
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How'd you figure out your 940 TW? I think for you to get an accurate tongue weight with the scale, you have to weigh 3x. You're missing the number for the Front Axle, trailer hooked but WD bars disengage.

I have a also have a 25BHS but a 2015 and the dealer set me up with only 800lbs WD bars. I have not weighed my trailer yet but I sure hope that my TW is not over 800lbs.
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