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09-29-2014, 12:24 PM
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New Pop Up Owner
Hello,
We just bought a new Jayco Sport 10sd (2015). It has battery wires in the front next to the propane tank and we bought the appropriate battery (27). How do I secure it? Do I buy a battery box and drill holes in the metal to secure it? Is there any other way? Sorry, we are very new at this and not all that handy =) Thank you!!
Michele
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09-29-2014, 12:25 PM
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Lost in the Woods
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09-29-2014, 01:20 PM
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I am guessing you have two pieces of angle iron either behind or in front of your propane tank that looks similar to this:
Get a box like nbhybrid mentiioned above and you can run soem self tapping screws through the box into the angle iron.
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09-29-2014, 01:27 PM
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Lost in the Woods
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actually it will be beside his propane tank
it is a popup..the tank and battery will sit side by side as the lift mech is ahead
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09-29-2014, 01:29 PM
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Lost in the Woods
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I have to ask though.....where is your dealer in all of this???
I am assuming your pup does not have the optional braking system since your dealer is kind of obligated to make sure your breakaway system is working.
If you do not have brakes or a breakaway system what are your plans for camping? Do you need a battery?
if dry camping a group27 starting battery will not provide much power for long
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09-29-2014, 01:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nbhybrid
actually it will be beside his propane tank
it is a popup..the tank and battery will sit side by side as the lift mech is ahead
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Good catch. Been a while since I had a pop-up. I'm surprised the dealer doesn't install a battery. Of course with what they would charge you would be better off doing it yourself.
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09-29-2014, 06:15 PM
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I am surprised how the dealer would let you off the lot without a battery for the brakes. My dealer had a full propane tank and battery with box as part of my pick up. I will check the invoice again, but I don't think it was a shocking cost.
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09-30-2014, 12:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emjayuu
I am surprised how the dealer would let you off the lot without a battery for the brakes. My dealer had a full propane tank and battery with box as part of my pick up. I will check the invoice again, but I don't think it was a shocking cost.
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you don't need a battery for the brakes only for the break-away switch and I am thinking it doesn't even have one as it is likely under the limit.
maybe the OP can comment. If they don't have a break away I personally would pass on the battery all together
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09-30-2014, 01:38 PM
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My 10 came with elect brakes but maybe that was a package. They Jayco site states at least the propane bottle is included as standard equipment
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09-30-2014, 01:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emjayuu
My 10 came with elect brakes but maybe that was a package. They Jayco site states at least the propane bottle is included as standard equipment
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they do come with brakes and most I have seen have them. I am sure the OP's does as well but you do not need a battery for them
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09-30-2014, 04:17 PM
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I was under the impression that the breakaway box required power from the battery
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09-30-2014, 05:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by emjayuu
I was under the impression that the breakaway box required power from the battery Attachment 15423
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it does but unless the GVWR is over 3000lbs a break away is not required
edit; the attachment you posted only talks about the TV battery not the trailer battery
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09-30-2014, 05:59 PM
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Back to the OP's original question. You should buy a battery box, but you don't need to drill holes to attach it. You can use a nylon strap to hold it down to the angle iron. Probably comes with the box. That's the way I did it on my PUP and still do it that way on my 25 footer with dual batteries.
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09-30-2014, 06:15 PM
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OOPS. Thought the pic was from the OP.
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09-30-2014, 06:41 PM
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meant to post this.
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10-01-2014, 09:52 AM
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The distinction is the difference between electric and hydraulic ("surge") brakes. Electric brake breakaways require a battery, hydraulic systems are mechanical. The original poster doesn't say which he has, but I assume hydraulic due to the size and the fact that it didn't come with a battery to start.
And to whomever said skip the battery: how would you use the camper lights while boondocking!?
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10-01-2014, 10:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Chapter
The distinction is the difference between electric and hydraulic ("surge") brakes. Electric brake breakaways require a battery, hydraulic systems are mechanical. The original poster doesn't say which he has, but I assume hydraulic due to the size and the fact that it didn't come with a battery to start.
And to whomever said skip the battery: how would you use the camper lights while boondocking!?
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you are talking about 2 different systems. Brakes- to stop the trailer come in electric and hydraulic. Hydraulic are for boat trailers primarily because of the water. Electric brakes do not use an on board battery. They get their power solely from the tow vehicle.
the other system is the break-away switch to activate the brakes. This does require an on board battery because the premise of it is that you are disconnected from the TV.
Her Pup I believe does not require a break -away by law because of the weight. Likely why the dealer didn't install a battery.(maybe the OP can come back on to confirm).
If she doesn't have a break-away I would either not install a battery at all or install a true deep cycle for boondocking not a standard battery which I assume she bought
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10-01-2014, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by waynem
Back to the OP's original question. You should buy a battery box, but you don't need to drill holes to attach it. You can use a nylon strap to hold it down to the angle iron. Probably comes with the box. That's the way I did it on my PUP and still do it that way on my 25 footer with dual batteries.
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My first battery strap lasted about a year before it disintegrated. This was a hybrid that was stored exposed to the elements tho. I'd want it bolted down. I also drilled a couple of holes in the box to drain the rainwater that got in through the vent holes.
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10-07-2014, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by nbhybrid
you are talking about 2 different systems. Brakes- to stop the trailer come in electric and hydraulic. Hydraulic are for boat trailers primarily because of the water. Electric brakes do not use an on board battery. They get their power solely from the tow vehicle.
the other system is the break-away switch to activate the brakes. This does require an on board battery because the premise of it is that you are disconnected from the TV.
Her Pup I believe does not require a break -away by law because of the weight. Likely why the dealer didn't install a battery.(maybe the OP can come back on to confirm).
If she doesn't have a break-away I would either not install a battery at all or install a true deep cycle for boondocking not a standard battery which I assume she bought
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lots of info here, but a few things i can tell you: the regular brakes, and the breakaway brakes, use two different actuation systems. electric brakes require a battery to activate the breakaway, because, as you say the assumption is that the trailer is not connected to the TV.
hydraulic breakaway systems (mine at least) do not require a battery. there is a master cylinder in the tongue that is normally activated by the weight of the trailer. in the case of a breakaway, the breakaway cable activates the brakes by pulling (compressing) the master cylinder. my hydraulic system does not require a battery.
i don't know the specs of the original trailer in question, but to assume that because it has no battery it has no breakaway system is incorrect. in fact, if it is hydraulic brakes, she likely has a mechanical breakaway system as i've described.
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10-07-2014, 08:00 AM
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Lost in the Woods
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Chapter
i don't know the specs of the original trailer in question, but to assume that because it has no battery it has no breakaway system is incorrect. in fact, if it is hydraulic brakes, she likely has a mechanical breakaway system as i've described.
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camper trailers do not use hydraulic systems anymore...they are 100percent electric
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