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Old 04-17-2015, 09:07 AM   #11
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Quahog, Post back here what you find out after you call DOT; I'm interested to know what the trooper says.

It's my current understanding that you only need special endorsement if you're hauling commercial. RV haulers dragging trailers out to the dealers would qualify as "commercial", so I could easily see them needing special endorsements. But for the average Joe hauling a personal RV? I dunno, would be good to know....
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Old 04-17-2015, 10:52 AM   #12
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Quahog, Post back here what you find out after you call DOT; I'm interested to know what the trooper says.

It's my current understanding that you only need special endorsement if you're hauling commercial. RV haulers dragging trailers out to the dealers would qualify as "commercial", so I could easily see them needing special endorsements. But for the average Joe hauling a personal RV? I dunno, would be good to know....
Weight and length seem to be the final determining factors when it comes to "personnal use vehicles" in some states. Your right on the commercial hauling endorsement with interstate commerce.

I lean to the CMA side of the argument only because everyone is sue happy these days and if for some reason I was found as the cause of an accident it could get ugly.

Again you will probably get 2 answers as this is not a common question for the DMV due to the lack of people who know it or require it due to their weights.

The pusher guys most likely need this more than the few of us with 5'ers in this class. Although that number is climbing due to the sizes increasing and the TV ratings increasing.
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Old 04-17-2015, 12:14 PM   #13
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The way I read it too is that you "may" require the NON CDL class A since your trailer is well above 10K GVWR. Again, like in NY the law is written very vague and not clear. In NYS it makes no mention of trailer or TV combinations, just the GCWR at 26,001 or over 40ft for recreational vehicles.

Best to call like your doing and ask based on your specifics. Then call again to confirm the answer.
LOL - I just said the same thing to Tex1961 in a PM. I did call and after quite a bit of off-line discussion, the agent came back and said I need a non-CDL Class A license. Argh
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The really weird thing is that after telling me I didn't need a CDL (which I already knew) but that I did need a Class A, he referred me to the CDL handbook, Chapter 14 for info on the testing required. I'm going to read through that to see if it makes sense and I am planning to call them again and see if I get the same answer twice.
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Here is link for state by state summary. It matches my NYS DMV info that I confirmed by phone and TX seems to be what we interpret so possibly all are close, but you still confirm with your local DMV.

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3 - that's a great link. Thanks for posting it!

Here's an excerpt out of the Texas Driver Handbook (Sept 14) regarding RVs and special license requirements:

Classified Driver Licenses

Class A, B, C, and M driver licenses are issued to individuals who are exempt or not required to obtain a commercial driver license (CDL).
Individuals who operate any of the following vehicles are exempt from obtaining a CDL but may need a Class A or Class B driver license because the type of vehicle driven still meets the definition of a commercial motor vehicle. For more information on what is considered a commercial motor vehicle, please see the special requirements section in the Texas Commercial Motor Vehicle Drivers Handbook.

1. A fire-fighting or emergency vehicle necessary to the preservation of life or property or the execution of emergency governmental functions whether operated by an employee of a political subdivision or by a volunteer fire fighter.

2. A military vehicle or a commercial motor vehicle when operated for military purposes by military personnel, members of the Reserves and National Guard on active duty including personnel on full- time National Guard duty, personnel on part-time training, and National Guard military techni- cians.

3. A recreational vehicle driven for personal use.

4. A vehicle that is owned, leased, or controlled by an air carrier, and is driven or operated exclusively by an employee of the air carrier only on the premises of an airport, on service roads to which the public does not have access.

5. A vehicle used exclusively to transport seed cotton modules or cotton burrs. 6. A vehicle:
a. Controlled and operated by a farmer;
b. Used to transport agricultural products, farm machinery, or farm supplies to or from a farm; c. Not used in the operation of a common or contract motor carrier; or
d. Used within 150 miles of the personís farm.

Class A Driver License

A Class A driver license permits a person to drive:

1. Any vehicle or combination of vehicles described under a Class B or Class C driver license; and

2. A vehicle or combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 lbs. or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of the vehicle(s) towed is in excess of 10,000 lbs.

A Class A driver license does not permit a person to drive a motorcycle or moped.

I underlined the parts that I felt were pertinent to this topic. I think that pretty much confirms what I've been fearing.
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I'm starting to get dizzy from thinking about this.

Qua, your post from the handbook clearly states GCWR. The link below has the same language except it says GVWR. The same link has a description of the CDL Class A which reads pretty much the same except it specifies GCWR.

Reading your reference makes me think a Class A is required however the link below makes me think it is not. The difference being the GVWR vs GCWR language.

TxDPS - Classes of Driver Licenses
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Here is the official law from the Texas transportation code. Hope this clears up the confusion between your book and the DMV website!:

Sec. 521.081. CLASS A LICENSE. A Class A driver's license authorizes the holder of the license to operate:
(1) a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more; or
(2) a combination of vehicles that has a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, if the gross vehicle weight rating of any vehicle or vehicles in tow is more than 10,000 pounds.
Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1995.

Based upon the OP you would need a class A.

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I'm starting to get dizzy from thinking about this.

Qua, your post from the handbook clearly states GCWR. The link below has the same language except it says GVWR. The same link has a description of the CDL Class A which reads pretty much the same except it specifies GCWR.

Reading your reference makes me think a Class A is required however the link below makes me think it is not. The difference being the GVWR vs GCWR language.

TxDPS - Classes of Driver Licenses
Redhorse, There is an "or" statement that then goes on to state GCWR for vehicles towed.

An A class is a split rig or straight above 26,000. Now with Quahog's specific combo setup he needs to take the 2 GVWR's and add them. That gives him his GCWR which superceeds the GVWR since he is now 2 vehicles.

The GVWR is only an agrument when it's one vehicle, i.e. motorcoach. Anytime there is a second vehicle or trailer involved it goes to GCWR.

To your point, there are many resources for the info and some is very vague and left to interpretation, leaving some confused people. I called my local DMV 3x's and got 2 answers orginally and went with the one I got 2X's.
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Red, I'm sorry to be making you dizzy. However, after talking to DPS in Austin and reading more in the Texas Driver Handbook and DPS' website, I've come to the conclusion that at least in my case, this is indeed required. I'm guessing that based on the GVWR of your truck and the >10k lb GVWR of your trailer, you're in the same boat. Sorry dude.

klpoppe and 3, I concur.
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