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Old 09-16-2016, 06:25 PM   #11
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I I read that Direct TV is going to get rid of their SD programming all together so people buying these WIngard X2 portables are going to have a problem because it doesn't get DirectTV HD?

So that puts me up in the air a bit. We are not hard core RV'ers so a perm roof mount anything wouldn't get much use.
The winegard pathway x2 is a dish only mobile antanee. As far as direct tv is concerned, as the previous poster stated, their mobile units only support SD and it is because of the SWM technology that they use to send their signal. As it stands if direct drops SD, none of the Direct tv mobiles will work.
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:28 PM   #12
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WE went the tripod route .it sets in the shed now. WE have the king quest for direct and it works great.It weighs 8 lbs and you can put it any where you like and finds your satellite signal automatically. cost 350.00 to 450.oo
All true but you can only get SD programming on your quest. Never understand how direct customers put up with not being able to get HD on an expensive moble setup.
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Old 09-16-2016, 06:31 PM   #13
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Reviewing all the responses to your initial post, I'll say I agree with most of them - with a couple caveats. First, I spoke at length with DirecTV (which I have at home) about your very subject. Though SD will eventually "go away", it is the gear (receiver & portable DirecTV dish) you have dictating what you receive. Yes, you can easily reconfigure your HD receiver to accept SD transmissions DEPENDING on which portable dish you have. Less expensive is the smaller SD dish. I purchased mine new from SATELIZ (706) 868 7828 for $109. It came with everything I needed (too much to list), and both they and DirecTV were extremely helpful in setting up everything. Because I also purchased a 20" LED TV and needed only 1 TV in my rig, I really didn't need HD (even though the aforementioned 20" TV was HD) the difference in that small TV (by today's standards) between HD and SD was negligible. I'm uninformed regarding multiple TV's in an RV, but given the comparatively little use for a TV in my RV as well as the smaller SD DirecTV dish, the savings over HD were significant. The flexibility afforded by a portable dish vis 'a vis a roof mount as well as the inherent savings are obvious. Let us all know what you decide and how you fared.
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The winegard pathway x2 is a dish only mobile antanee. As far as direct tv is concerned, as the previous poster stated, their mobile units only support SD and it is because of the SWM technology that they use to send their signal. As it stands if direct drops SD, none of the Direct tv mobiles will work.
I also thought that SWM was the main issue, but I just read something this morning that gave me even more information on this. Although the post I read is about 5 years old, it was posted by a Winegard tech and the reasoning would still apply since the same technology still exists in regards to DirecTV HD.

According to that post, the fact that DirecTV uses Ka band frequencies (sat 99 101 and 103) to broadcast much of it's HD channels is the main issue.

He stated that in order to get an acceptable signal strength for Ka bands, a much larger dish surface than is currently used in the domed dishes would be required, such as the Travl'er and Slimline dishes have. So they felt that such a domed solution would not really be portable enough, easily storable, and would require a much higher price point.

Since Dish still broadcasts everything on the older Ku bands, this is not an issue for them.

I never considered that, but it makes sense.
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I get HD no problem with my Carryout, mind you I am on Bell ExpressVu here in Canada. I point at 82 Degree for HD, or 91 degree for SD. I just can't get both at the same time. I can't believe you couldn't point to a DishNet Bird @ 110 and not get HD providing you have the HD Rcv. Dish and Bell is essentially the same hardware.
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I also thought that SWM was the main issue, but I just read something this morning that gave me even more information on this. Although the post I read is about 5 years old, it was posted by a Winegard tech and the reasoning would still apply since the same technology still exists in regards to DirecTV HD.

According to that post, the fact that DirecTV uses Ka band frequencies (sat 99 101 and 103) to broadcast much of it's HD channels is the main issue.

He stated that in order to get an acceptable signal strength for Ka bands, a much larger dish surface than is currently used in the domed dishes would be required, such as the Travl'er and Slimline dishes have. So they felt that such a domed solution would not really be portable enough, easily storable, and would require a much higher price point.

Since Dish still broadcasts everything on the older Ku bands, this is not an issue for them.

I never considered that, but it makes sense.
Thanks for this correction. Doesn't the Ka band use have something to do with the Swm thing? What I understand is that switching over from Ka would be a major redesign for Direct and they don't want to do it. At the end of the day, regardless of the technical reason, Direct tv customers are limited to SD when using a mobile antanae.
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Thanks for this correction. Doesn't the Ka band use have something to do with the Swm thing? What I understand is that switching over from Ka would be a major redesign for Direct and they don't want to do it. At the end of the day, regardless of the technical reason, Direct tv customers are limited to SD when using a mobile antanae.
Again, not an entirely accurate statement. The Winegard Traveller can get HD signal on DirecTV.
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I also thought that SWM was the main issue, but I just read something this morning that gave me even more information on this. Although the post I read is about 5 years old, it was posted by a Winegard tech and the reasoning would still apply since the same technology still exists in regards to DirecTV HD.

According to that post, the fact that DirecTV uses Ka band frequencies (sat 99 101 and 103) to broadcast much of it's HD channels is the main issue.

He stated that in order to get an acceptable signal strength for Ka bands, a much larger dish surface than is currently used in the domed dishes would be required, such as the Travl'er and Slimline dishes have. So they felt that such a domed solution would not really be portable enough, easily storable, and would require a much higher price point.

Since Dish still broadcasts everything on the older Ku bands, this is not an issue for them.

I never considered that, but it makes sense.
Thanks for this correction. Doesn't the Ka band use have something to do with the Swm thing? What I understand is that switching over from Ka would be a major redesign for Direct and they don't want to do it. At the end of the day, regardless of the technical reason, Direct tv customers are limited to SD when using a mobile antanae.
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Again, not an entirely accurate statement. The Winegard Traveller can get HD signal on DirecTV.
Well your reference to the traveler is a bit of an apples and oranges comparison. My reference to "mobile" vs portable is where we are not on the same page. The traveler is a roof mounted system that is mobile in that it will work on an RV but not portable. Use of a portable is an important distinction since it allows for use on sun restricted sites by being able to set up the antanae a reasonable distance from the RV. Another point you may have made is that the traveler cost is on the North side of $1000 while most mobiles are half that. For that reason most people don't want to go with a roof mounted unit.
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