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Old 09-14-2018, 01:51 PM   #1
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Egregious overloading

I was considering a 5th wheel with a F250 diesel and after calculations, determined that it would easily exceed my payload, despite any "HT" designation on a Jayco.

On our last trip, we went to a couple of campgrounds and I checked people's tow vehicle for a 5th wheel.

The worst I've seen - a Chevy 2500 towing a Pinnacle! Either the owner is completely clueless or doesn't care.

If he's clueless, the dealer must be willing to take some responsibility for selling it right?
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How do you figure the HT would exceed the 3/4t payload? The 29.5BHDS is 10k gross which if you stuff it full would give you 2500# pin. A Chev 2500 gasser in CC 2WD has 3230# payload.

As far as other people then you should report it to the weight police
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The worst I've seen - a Chevy 2500 towing a Pinnacle! Either the owner is completely clueless or doesn't care.
Depends on how you define "clueless".

Clueless could be that a gas GM 2500 could have up to 3500 lbs of available payload.

Clueless could be that the only difference between a diesel 2500 (with 2500 lbs of payload) and a diesel SRW 3500 (with 4200 lbs of payload) is nothing more than an additional overload spring on the 3500?

Clueless could be that the manufacturers 10,000 GVW rating is nothing more than an arbitrary spec and doesn't have any influence on how much weight the truck can physically carry.

Clueless could be that the 10,000 GVW has nothing to do with how much the vehicle can legally be registered too weigh.

Clueless could be not knowing that the rear axle of that Chevy 2500 is a AAM 11.5" axle rated to 11,000 lbs.

But again... clueless depends on how you define the word.

By the way, you might gain some information reading this...Pickup Trucks 101: How Do SRW 2500s and 3500s Differ? - PickupTrucks.com News
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How do you figure the HT would exceed the 3/4t payload? The 29.5BHDS is 10k gross which if you stuff it full would give you 2500# pin. A Chev 2500 gasser in CC 2WD has 3230# payload.

As far as other people then you should report it to the weight police

Let me know if I'm evaluating this correctly because I'd love to be wrong and be able to tow a 5th wheel.

The sticker on my F250 door says do not exceed 2057lbs.

2057 - 500 (family of 5) = 1557 remaining
1557 - 400 (5th wheel hitch weight) = 1157 remaining
1157 - 1715 (dry hitch weight 29.5BHDS) = 558 overweight

So if I google F250 payload, it says 3300-4200, but with the crew cab and accessories, it greatly reduces that.
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Dealers don't usually sell clues.

The buyer has to get them some where else in most cases.
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Let me know if I'm evaluating this correctly because I'd love to be wrong and be able to tow a 5th wheel.

The sticker on my F250 door says do not exceed 2057lbs.

2057 - 500 (family of 5) = 1557 remaining
1557 - 400 (5th wheel hitch weight) = 1157 remaining
1157 - 1715 (dry hitch weight 29.5BHDS) = 558 overweight
Usually the hitch pin weight is 15-20% of the gross trailer weight. There are the clues. Your pin weight will be closer to 1500 to 2000 lbs.

Another consideration is the dry hitch pin weight is useless unless you add in what you are loading on the fifth wheel and weigh it.

I would do some more research. The payload sticker on your truck is for that truck specifically.
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Usually the hitch pin weight is 15-20% of the gross trailer weight. There are the clues. Your pin weight will be closer to 1500 to 2000 lbs.

Another consideration is the dry hitch pin weight is useless unless you add in what you are loading on the fifth wheel and weigh it.

I would do some more research. The payload sticker on your truck is for that truck specifically.

Right, there is no Jayco 5th wheel that is less than 1450 dry pin weight so anything additional in the RV will add to it.

Based on the calculations for my truck, 1157 is what I have remaining so there's not a single 5th wheel I can tow without exceeding payload.
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What year f250 do you have? I have a 2003 f250 with the 6.0 powerstroke. I have reviewed the ford fleet specs the only difference between the f250 and f350 is the number of springs in the front and read. Unless of course the f250 was equipped with the optional camper package which mine was, then the only difference is the door jam sticker for the f250 still says 8800 GVWR and the f350 say 9900 GVWR even if the f250 camper package has the exact same suspension as the f350.

To truly determine your payload, go to the scale with your family and weigh. Take that weight from the GVWR that is what you have left. Then look at 5th wheel hitches can you get one that is lighter, for instance this one http://www.reeseprod.com/products/fi...cCgd0AWKJy%7Cl is listed around 150 pounds and I have not tried to find anymore. 250 pounds of supporting equipment for the hitch feels too heavy.
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I was considering a 5th wheel with a F250 diesel and after calculations, determined that it would easily exceed my payload, despite any "HT" designation on a Jayco.

On our last trip, we went to a couple of campgrounds and I checked people's tow vehicle for a 5th wheel.

The worst I've seen - a Chevy 2500 towing a Pinnacle! Either the owner is completely clueless or doesn't care.

If he's clueless, the dealer must be willing to take some responsibility for selling it right?
I've found that the vast majority of dealers and buyers only look at towing capacity....they ARE clueless as to cargo capacity, which is topped out long before towing capacity in most cases... Amazing how few people really understand everything about towing an RV...more need to be on the Jayco forums so they can educate themselves
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To truly determine your payload, go to the scale with your family and weigh. Take that weight from the GVWR that is what you have left. Then look at 5th wheel hitches can you get one that is lighter, for instance this one http://www.reeseprod.com/products/fi...cCgd0AWKJy%7Cl is listed around 150 pounds and I have not tried to find anymore. 250 pounds of supporting equipment for the hitch feels too heavy.
The hitch weight is a consideration in addition to the weight that the fifth wheel trailer adds to the truck when connected.
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