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Old 11-26-2011, 04:10 PM   #1
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Girard Tankless Water Heater offered on Skylark, Greyhawk and Melbourne

Hi Everyone,

I'm Jerry Rennert with Girard Products and I wanted to let you know that Jayco is offering the Girard Tankless Wtaer Heater as an option on the Skylark, Greyhawk and the Melbourne.
If you have our Water Heater (or considering this option) and you have any questions please call our Tech Support at 866-559-1221 or visit our web site: www.greenrvproducts.com for further product and technical information.

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Old 11-26-2011, 04:22 PM   #2
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Welcome to the forum Jerry. We appreciate vendor contacts.
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:21 PM   #3
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We are planning on a 2012 Greyhawk 31DS with the tankless water heater. The saleperson at the Camping World dealer advised against it saying her research shows the unit does not output that hot of water. I really can't see Jerry's folks making a unit or JAYCO making this an option if this is the case.
I know this is a new option but has anyone any info on the concern I have expressed. Also how is the noise level when the blower is activated.
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We are planning on a 2012 Greyhawk 31DS with the tankless water heater. The saleperson at the Camping World dealer advised against it saying her research shows the unit does not output that hot of water. I really can't see Jerry's folks making a unit or JAYCO making this an option if this is the case.
I know this is a new option but has anyone any info on the concern I have expressed. Also how is the noise level when the blower is activated.
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The sales person is full of it. I saw a demonstration of it up in Prescott last Spring and it put out water hot enough to scald you while being pumped through an Oxygentics shower head. When the flow was adjusted to enough to take a shower, it was still hotter than I cared for.

One problem with the Girard is, in order to cut costs so the price could be kept significantly lower than it's closest competitor, the RV 500, they used only bare bones control componentry (this doesn't mean low quality). Because of that, usage is different from a conventional water heater. Temperature contol is achieved by regulating the flow of the water instead of blending it with cold water; the faster the flow, the lower the temperature. Many people don't understand this, use it incorrectly, then they assume the unit is no good. Also, many people have trouble getting it to work correctly because of flow restrictors in the plumbing. Using it is a completely different ball of wax but if one can adjust to it, it will do just fine.

I don't recall any blower noise from the demo unit (we were outdoors) so it's probably not any worse than a conventional water heater.

Being an old dog, I prefer staying with something I'm used to and would prefer the RV 500 even though it cost almost twice as much. But then, that's me. Your mileage may vary.
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Old 01-04-2012, 09:18 PM   #5
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Some people don't like the Girard tankless water heater. Some people like it. The positives are that it can make endless hot water --- if you have a sewer connection, or a large gray tank to put the waste in. It is supposed to use less propane than a propane tank type heater. The Girard can not use electricity - which you may have paid for already. Some complain that the temperature is hard to adjust. Here's a link to a long thread on another forum: Girard Water Heater Discussion.

My take away from this is that this device can be handy if you usually have a sewer connection, but is entirely inappropriate if you boondock a lot. At least that's what I think.

Just consider how you use hot water and what works best in your situation.
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Thanks all for the advice. Guess the only thing remaining is to talk it over with the wifie the goods and the not so goods.
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Tankless Hot water Heater on Melbourne 26A

I got the tankless unit as a option on my 2012 26A Melbourne. It does not work! Either scalding hot or ice cold. I know the propane supply is OK and I have been using the hot water only. Regardless I cannot achieve a consistent temperature. My first reaction is that the Jayco 12 volt pump does not provide adequate pressure to allow the adjusting of the flow to achieve the desired temperature. Everyone recommends a flow restrictor to minimize blowing the fittings on the water system if you are using an outside source for water. Another issue is that you want to conserve water (gray water tank filling) when showering so you turn it on and off (soap up and then rinse). The tankless unit does not work when using that procedure.

Any suggestions? I am to the point of pulling the unit out and replacing it with a standard 6 gallon hot water heater. I love the concept but the boss is ready to call it quits if this shower water temperature issue is not solved.

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There are lots of suggestions contained in this thread on another forum. Some of them may help.
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I got the tankless unit as a option on my 2012 26A Melbourne. It does not work! Either scalding hot or ice cold. I know the propane supply is OK and I have been using the hot water only. Regardless I cannot achieve a consistent temperature. My first reaction is that the Jayco 12 volt pump does not provide adequate pressure to allow the adjusting of the flow to achieve the desired temperature. Everyone recommends a flow restrictor to minimize blowing the fittings on the water system if you are using an outside source for water. Another issue is that you want to conserve water (gray water tank filling) when showering so you turn it on and off (soap up and then rinse). The tankless unit does not work when using that procedure.

Any suggestions? I am to the point of pulling the unit out and replacing it with a standard 6 gallon hot water heater. I love the concept but the boss is ready to call it quits if this shower water temperature issue is not solved.

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!
I would go back to dealer and let them deal with it. If it's something you are doing wrong, they should have shown you how to use it before you took possesion. If it is mafunctioning, it is a warranty issue.
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Figured mine out Girard out

So I am out on my first trip with my Greyhawk 31 SS that has the Girard Tankless. I think the dealer was more excited about it than I was. I too had water as too hot or ice could. I figured the ice cold was because it has a safety switch to cut the burner off when it exceeds a limit. If you take some time to think about it things start to make sense. The slower the water goes through the tank the longer it the burner has to be able to heat it which equals hotter water.

So if I had my tap wide open and it is still too hot then water must not be moving through fast enough. To test this I turned on the kitchen sink full and then I turned on the bath room sink and just getting it to trickle was enough for the temperature to be good coming out of the kitchen sink.

So problem is water pressure. I had hooked up as follow:

Site Water-->Water Pressure Regulator-->Y coupler-->quick connect--hose-->quick connect-->city connectiion

Figured that quick connects must be restricting the flow too much so I removeded them from the picture.

Site Water-->Water Pressure Regulator-->Y coupler-->hose-->city connectiion

That did it and now I had enough flow to get normal warm showerable water temperature and can make hotter with adjustments of less than 1/4 to 1/2 turn.

By the way I am also set from Automatic to Low on the Girard.

I still plan on calling Girad to see is what pressure they have it tuned for and see if can be adjusted or if something is wrong that I had to do this.

Will also need to put on one of those push button shower heads so I can cut water off and on or it will use too much water when dry camping.
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