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01-26-2023, 10:15 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Western New York
Posts: 586
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Just about everything there was just...
CRAP!
Me and the DW went to the local RV show tonight.
Keystone, Flagstaff, Winnebago, Forest River, Grand Design, KZ, Coleman, Coachman and Jayco were on display.
I was impressed with the Grand Design & KZ line.
Everything else was just garbage, including Jayco.
Also, not offering a propane option on refrigerators
is just plain stupid. Don't get me started that the solar systems will run the refrigerator. Most folks like to camp under shady trees, not in the blazing sun. Winnebago was the only one at the show to have propane refrigerators in their smaller units.
There were 24 foot + travel trailers there on single axles… come on man!
My 2015 Jayco has been extremely reliable with no major issues. I have decided this is my last TT.
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2015 Jayco Jayflight 27RLS
2012 Ford F-150
2001 Fleetwood Terry 28x
1996 Viking Pop-up
1979 Coleman 8 man cabin tent
1967 G.I Joe (hasbro) canvas pup tent
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01-27-2023, 08:40 AM
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Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: State College
Posts: 95
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THE MEEKER
CRAP!
Me and the DW went to the local RV show tonight.
Keystone, Flagstaff, Winnebago, Forest River, Grand Design, KZ, Coleman, Coachman and Jayco were on display.
I was impressed with the Grand Design & KZ line.
Everything else was just garbage, including Jayco.
Also, not offering a propane option on refrigerators
is just plain stupid. Don't get me started that the solar systems will run the refrigerator. Most folks like to camp under shady trees, not in the blazing sun. Winnebago was the only one at the show to have propane refrigerators in their smaller units.
There were 24 foot + travel trailers there on single axles… come on man!
My 2015 Jayco has been extremely reliable with no major issues. I have decided this is my last TT.
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I'm still blown away by the reliability of my 2017 Eagle... Going into 7th season and never an issue with the AC, heater, fridge, slides, leaks, etc.
The new products look nice but don't see the benefit of risking shoddy workmanship esp over the pandemic years. Saw Youtube video where the guy had every horrible issue with his Grand Design fifth wheel, and don't ever want to deal with that.
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01-27-2023, 10:19 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Newark, NY
Posts: 13,957
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Our 2012 has proven to be trouble free and put together well, so along with the new awning fabric, tires, mattress, better faucets and wet bolts we've installed, we're keeping it.
We still like to go to the Syracuse show just to look for any interesting ideas and get out of the house for the day. Not much has floated our boat for 10 years except the 24RBS model, but anything longer than our 19RD won't fit in the driveway next to the house, along with the utility trailer behind it, so it happily stays. It's still fun to go look around and keep up with the new ones.
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If you're going to "regret it in the morning", sleep until noon.
2012 Jay Flight 19RD
2016 Ford F150 XLT 2X4 SC 3.5L Eco Max Tow
2010 Tundra TRD DBL Cab (Traded)
2 new fluffy Corgis, Bayley and Stanley
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01-27-2023, 10:49 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Bellingham,Wa.
Posts: 6,549
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Still completely enjoying my 2010 Jayco that I feel owes me nothing. Just a tweak here & there every so often and everything is still original.
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2010 Jayco Hybrid EXP21M
2013 Toureg TDI
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01-27-2023, 11:11 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Garland
Posts: 134
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My 2021 Jayco has been solid at 7500 Miles. I think they all are going to non propane fridge. Solar is the "Popular" thing these days, I have no use for it at all.
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2021 Jayco Feather 27RL
2022 F-250 6.7 Camper package
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01-27-2023, 01:37 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,368
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The electric fridge is nothing more than a oversized cooler. Buy a tub and add ice. Don't forget the tub. Forget about ice cream.
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2021 GMC Canyon
2021 Jayco 212QB
WDH ; Anderson
2012 Honda Ridgeline not towing anymore
2016 195 RB traded in
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01-27-2023, 04:04 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: DFW
Posts: 2,030
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kim Gass
The electric fridge is nothing more than a oversized cooler. Buy a tub and add ice. Don't forget the tub. Forget about ice cream.
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The tub is definitely the critical element there.
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2019 Eagle 321RSTS
2019 Chevy 3500HD SRW Dmax
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01-27-2023, 04:22 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Newburgh
Posts: 5,450
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We "upgraded" from our 2016 28BHBE to a 2022 33RBTS and I regretted it almost instantly but not because the new camper is bad in fact it has been perfect so far but more because my trade was my favorite camper of all we have owned.
I get attached to things pretty easily and the BHBE was an absolutely flawless camper for us. My wife convinced me that we needed more room for the grandkids and that our kids would be more likely to travel with us. Well the grands do come with us more, but just so our kids can get free time alone!
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2022 33RBTS
Progressive Industries EMS - Hardwired
Equalizer 4 Point WDH
2021 Ford F350 7.3
Air Lift Rear Bags w/ On Board Compressor (Pending)
2016 28BHBE - (Traded and Missed already)
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01-27-2023, 04:56 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: State of
Posts: 392
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JFlight nailed it. I feel lucky that I slid in just before Thor with my 2016. I'm also to the point now where I' about willing to rip stuff out and rebuild to "make it my own." A camping friend of ours took out some cabinets and a sofa in their camper to free up space and it opened my eyes that I have basically a box on a chassis (that's all paid off) and I can do what I want to now since I'm not likely to trade in the near future.
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2016 19RD Elite - Thermal
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01-27-2023, 07:50 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Michigan
Posts: 9,347
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THE MEEKER
snip...... I have decided this is my last TT.
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X2
Bob
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2016 GM 2500HD 6.0L/4.10
2018 Jay Flight 24RBS
2002 GM 2500HD 6.0L/4:10 (retired)
2005 Jayco Eagle 278FBS (retired)
1999 Jayco Eagle 246FB (retired)
Reese HP Dual Cam (Strait-Line)
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01-28-2023, 08:35 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: --
Posts: 2,349
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THE MEEKER
I have decided this is my last TT.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle
X2
Bob 
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Quite possibly x3. I don't see things improving in any meaningful way to make me want to put more money into this hobby than I already previously had; even though I still love the concept of the hobby.
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On the sidelines taking it all in.
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01-28-2023, 08:59 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Maine
Posts: 2,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rustic Eagle
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Bob 
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x 4 probably.. The TT has been handy for cross country travels but the hassle of digging it out on sheer ice is a PITA.. We did not put much money into either of them as they are depreciating assets..
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2021 GMC Canyon
2021 Jayco 212QB
WDH ; Anderson
2012 Honda Ridgeline not towing anymore
2016 195 RB traded in
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01-31-2023, 04:14 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: In a house
Posts: 935
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I'd enjoy going to these shows, only to appreciate what I already have. The small issues I have had and posted about have been easy to correct ones; no wallet busters.
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2005 Jayco GreyHawk Class C
2007 Ford F150
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02-01-2023, 12:59 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Butte
Posts: 27
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We’ve had very good luck with our 2018 285RLSW. I do preventive maintenance on it regularly and really haven’t had a major problem with it.
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02-01-2023, 01:31 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 1,513
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Add another one to the list of potential last trailers. Looking at the new prices, they are almost double what we paid for ours new in 2018. I get the little things fixed, perform regular maintenance and it is working great. I can do a lot for the money I would have to spend to buy a new one after trade in.
There's always external forces that may shift the winds, but the plan is to stick with the devil I know
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Colby
Eastern Ontario, Canada
2018 Jayco 212QB
2020 Ford F150 SuperCrew
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02-01-2023, 02:04 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Howardwick
Posts: 663
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Me too
Quote:
Originally Posted by colby
Add another one to the list of potential last trailers. Looking at the new prices, they are almost double what we paid for ours new in 2018. I get the little things fixed, perform regular maintenance and it is working great. I can do a lot for the money I would have to spend to buy a new one after trade in.
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My 2018 JayFeather 23RL (now 24RL) has the bugs finally worked out of it. I will be paying it off in the next 90 days and there is no way in Haydees I would think about buying a new one for $38,995 after paying $21,800 for this one new. Sure, it's "worth" $26,000 trade...for WHAT?? I'd still owe $22,000+ and my retirement income has increased ZERO in the last 5 years. Uneconomically sound to make that move, starting over 'rebuilding' what the factory screwed up, not on my radar. I can do a whole lotta fixin' for that kinda money.
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Eric & D.Ann Riddle
2018 Nissan Titan CC SV rwd
2018 Jayco Jayfeather 23RL
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02-01-2023, 02:05 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Mar 2022
Location: Troy
Posts: 2
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We are in about the same position. Close to retiring but haven't set a date. I have no interest in a new TT. Overpriced and underbuilt. We bought a used 2006 25RKS a year and a half ago. It was almost unused by the previous owner. Put new tires and water heater ignitor on it and went camping. We have added a few things such as a 2nd battery, inverter, and a couple of portable solar panels so we can boondock for a few days if we want. We have already put close to 7000 miles on it, including 3700 Missouri to Montana and back. Hopefully have it for many more years.
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02-01-2023, 02:41 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Milan
Posts: 213
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I agree...our '16 pinnacle has been solid with only small switches and fittings replaced. We like the mdqs Floorplan but our front living pinnacle is hard to leave. We're retiring fully this spring and we're on the fence on which way to go.
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Kevin and Beth Todd
Milan, TN
2016 Pinnacle 38FLSA
2002 Dodge 2500
2019 Ram 3500
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02-01-2023, 03:20 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: West Michigan
Posts: 563
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No propane refrigerator??!!!
Our 2017 16XRB, as built and modified and customized by us, is perfect. It will be our first and last RV,
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02-01-2023, 03:27 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Southern Indiana
Posts: 3,146
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I have a propane/electric Norcold fridge in my camper and I really like it but it's going on 10 plus years old now. I would likely replace it with a 12V fridge and was wondering how fast they cool down and if a single deep cycle battery would be sufficient to precool it since I have no electricity in my storage facility.
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2012 Eagle 320 RLDS
2017 Ford F-250 FX4 Crew STX 6.2l
3.73 E-locker
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