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Old 03-12-2013, 02:18 PM   #11
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When you have $1000. deductible, it is a moot point but I do save a lot on insurance.
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:23 PM   #12
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Theoretically, the fuses should protect you trailer from such surges.
It should be obvious that a fuse does not protect from any surge (and there are many different types). A fuse blows AFTER appliance damage. So that damage does not create a fire.

A protector at the pedestal is for something completely different from a hardwired protector that disconnects power. Two completely different anomalies. Two completely different devices that, unfortunately, have a similar name. Fuses are for a completely different (third) anomaly.
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I would question, and an adjuster might also, the definition of locking ring. I'm thinking your agent may not have understood what you were asking. Being in the marine industry, the "locking rings" that I see are on the end of shore power cords and simply provide a secure mechanical connection but do not provide anything in the way of security. At any rate, why not spend the same amount, for a hardwired unit and eliminate the possibility of having to shell out a deductible for theft. Mine lives under a table between the two chairs, where the power comes in.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:07 AM   #14
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A protector at the pedestal is for something completely different from a hardwired protector that disconnects power. Two completely different anomalies. .
Many of the better portable surge protectors also disconnect power exactly the same way as the hardwired units.(low voltage/high voltage or surge) The one I have does a 2 minute diagnostic before it even turns on.

If you have ever seen some of the damage done to a surge protector after a major surge or lightning strike you may not want it inside the coach, at least I don't.
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Old 03-13-2013, 08:36 AM   #15
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I saw a 30AMP Surge Protector after it took a surge in TX last year. I have to agree with Grumpy I do not want it inside of my fiver. YMMV.
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Old 03-13-2013, 11:56 AM   #16
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To answer several questions from previous replies:

1) I told my ins agent that this device has a metal bar attached permanently to the cord, with another hole for attaching something like a bicycle lock cable to the pedestal. And I also specifically mentioned that a good set of bolt cutters could probably defeat the lock. Even in light of this description, the agent said I definitely would be covered, and even gave me the page # and paragraph that would apply. He said nothing about proof that the protector was locked at the time of theft. The ONLY stipulation was that this device had to be dedicated to the camper in question, and not used in any other locations.

2) As for the scenario of the protector shutting off power while you are away - the one I have in mind (PI EMS-PT50C) will re-close the circuit after a couple of minutes to allow the A/C compressor to reset. If the problem is still there, such as low voltage, it will shut off again. I would much rather come back to a refrig full of spoiled food than to have the A/C or the converter ruined.

3) Regarding the issue of hardwired vs portable - if you have the portable at the pedestal, it will protect your power cord as well, whereas the hardwired unit at the converter protects only the items downstream from it inside the unit. And like some replies above, I would much rather have a burned up protector out by the pedestal than inside my camper back in a dark hole behind the converter. In my particular unit, the power input connection is at the extreme rear on the road side, while the converter is 20 ft away near the middle on the curb side - a lot of wire to potentially burn up inside the camper.

4) JFYI, I have a separate insurance policy on the trailer alone, with the same company as the TV. It was very little more expensive than just taking the automatic liability that is conferred on a towed unit by the insurance covering the TV, and covers a lot more, such as the surge protector in question.

5) Lastly, I only made this inquiry to see if I would have to foot the entire bill for replacement if the protector were stolen. Now that I know, it seems like a no-brainer to go ahead with the portable, with the assurance that my max out-of-pocket will be $100 JMHO
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2) As for the scenario of the protector shutting off power while you are away - the one I have in mind (PI EMS-PT50C) will re-close the circuit after a couple of minutes to allow the A/C compressor to reset. If the problem is still there, such as low voltage, it will shut off again. I would much rather come back to a refrig full of spoiled food than to have the A/C or the converter ruined.
I am not sure if your unit has an auto feature on the frig to switch to gas if the electric goes out but if it does I would suggest that you leave it on auto switchover. My neighbor at my seasonal site in WV set his on electric only and when the power went out for a few days during last years deracho storm in WV he had a real mess. I suggest that he leave it on auto switchover and he said that he had learned his lesson. JFYI
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rbrumfield, you have a good point. Didn't think about that when writing my post. Will try to remember when in that situation.
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I saw a 30AMP Surge Protector after it took a surge in TX last year. I have to agree with Grumpy I do not want it inside of my fiver.
Again, you are confusing two completely different devices for two completely different anomalies.

Over voltage (>132) and undervoltage (<104) disconnects from AC mains, It takes almost forever (milliseconds or seconds). If that device tried to stop the other surge (ie lightning), then the other surge will increase voltage as necessary (thousands of volts) to blow through that protector.

The other protector operates in microseconds. Does not disconnnect anything. Completely ignores undervoltage and overvoltage. Is for another type of surge that threaten everything inside an RV.

First protector (hardwired inside) needs protection only possible with the second protector (attached to a pedestal). Anomalies addressed by the first protector are completely ignored by the second protector. Two completely different devices that, unfortunately, share a similar name. And are for completely different anomalies that also, unfortunately, share a similar name. A differences are made obvious by numbers even provided in specifications.
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Hi Westom,

Your are correct, they are two distinct devices, however, the higher priced protectors do cover off both of these anomalies. What we must consider is that there are breakers that protect against over current which is caused by a short circuit or sustained ondervoltage. It is the under voltage or brown out condition that is the problem today, over voltage (not surge or transient voltage) is not common. Most motorized equipment such as compressors are designed with thermal protection and are also underrated to 80% of there actual capacity....that is by code, in fact all regulated electrical equipment is built and designed with the 80% factor by code. The cables that connect the trailer are also capable of carrying 125%of there rating. So in essence most equipment is already protected. The catastrophic failures are caused by surges or transient voltage anomalies that are very quick and will damage all equipment electronics are especially susceptible due to the characteristics of the components, these spikes also have the ability to weaken the insulation of motors and windings of other equipment and are usually protected against by installing crowbar circuits or cheaper one- time use by MOV's. These MOV's can be simply added for penny's and will protect as well as any of the surge equipment that has been discussed.

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Again, you are confusing two completely different devices for two completely different anomalies.

Over voltage (>132) and undervoltage (<104) disconnects from AC mains, It takes almost forever (milliseconds or seconds). If that device tried to stop the other surge (ie lightning), then the other surge will increase voltage as necessary (thousands of volts) to blow through that protector.

The other protector operates in microseconds. Does not disconnnect anything. Completely ignores undervoltage and overvoltage. Is for another type of surge that threaten everything inside an RV.

First protector (hardwired inside) needs protection only possible with the second protector (attached to a pedestal). Anomalies addressed by the first protector are completely ignored by the second protector. Two completely different devices that, unfortunately, share a similar name. And are for completely different anomalies that also, unfortunately, share a similar name. A differences are made obvious by numbers even provided in specifications.
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