Ram pickups

[jetlag]

Haven't heard anything about this recall and my '21 3500. Maybe I am lucky lol.

[Kevin Cooper]

Originally Posted by jetlag

Haven't heard anything about this recall and my '21 3500. Maybe I am lucky lol.

The years are 2013-2023. 2500 & 3500
I saw one on a YouTube video for a 2017 2500 yesterday.

[kirkelli]

I just got my notice.. been reading about this on various forums and the reports coming out after the flash is terrible.. People are saying 50-75 Horsepower is zapped with the flash and everyone states they can feel the power loss.. Calif is requiring this as a perquisite to renew your registration.. I'm at total loss with this.. The feds get 1.7 billion dollars for a screw up the auto maker did against its customers and the customers end up pulling money out of their pocket for the correction.. In my case, i live 100 miles (one way) from my nearest Ram service dept.. So i end up spending over a $100 in fuel for the flash and a full day of wasting my time. Not only that,,, i bought my Ram over other models solely based not the advertised performance which is severely impacted now after the flash...I consider it false advertising It seems to me, the government actually worked with the automaker as part of a back office deal.. The consumers are getting screwed severely on this.. I would like to hear of anyone starting a class action.. I will join the effort.

[kirkelli]

Originally Posted by craigav

My bet, (more of a guess) is that Cummins will pay the fine, pass the cost of the fine onto every engine they sell until 150% of those costs are recovered (so the consumers actually pay the fine and legal fees and some bonuses), and then Cummins will (already has perhaps) issue a computer update to each affected unit and provide a certification (perhaps electronically) for each VIN and vehicle that has been updated and that database will go to each state and anywhere a pollution test is required or perhaps upon registration renewal this certification will be required to be in place prior to passing inspection or to obtaining new license tags.

Your guess is spot on for Calif...thats what is happening.. Also, Calif is actually requiring that unspecified parts be replaced that can't be reversed by the consumer.. We dont know what these parts are, but it is confirmed that it involves more than just a 'flash'

[kirkelli]

Originally Posted by Motojavaphil

I got the recall yesterday for my 2016 2500. It is my understanding they will flash the computer to dumb down the motor. If that is the case what stops a person from after market chipping or flashing to regain or improve performance?

in California, they are replacing undisclosed emissions equipment that effects the horsepower, reportely by 50-65 HP and in return effects the torque.. The service guy i talked to said this can't be reversed because the required parts are no longer available and can't be re-produced by Cummings.. I also hear that the fuel mileage is drastically affected (worse) as well. Because of the federal deal with Cummings,, Cummings is now protected by any lawsuits i.e. class action.. This was an under cover deal.. and it is total B.S.

[Jerry713]

Originally Posted by kirkelli

I just got my notice.. been reading about this on various forums and the reports coming out after the flash is terrible.. People are saying 50-75 Horsepower is zapped with the flash and everyone states they can feel the power loss.. Calif is requiring this as a perquisite to renew your registration.. I'm at total loss with this.. The feds get 1.7 billion dollars for a screw up the auto maker did against its customers and the customers end up pulling money out of their pocket for the correction.. In my case, i live 100 miles (one way) from my nearest Ram service dept.. So i end up spending over a $100 in fuel for the flash and a full day of wasting my time. Not only that,,, i bought my Ram over other models solely based not the advertised performance which is severely impacted now after the flash...I consider it false advertising It seems to me, the government actually worked with the automaker as part of a back office deal.. The consumers are getting screwed severely on this.. I would like to hear of anyone starting a class action.. I will join the effort.

Dang that’s frustrating. I would think there will be class action lawsuits by state on this issue with the biggest issue being resale value. If the power is noticeably reduced that has to have a negative impact on resale.

I know of someone who has a Ram that falls in this window but hasn’t received a letter yet. He’s freaking out because he deleted his emissions and wondering if Texas will also require the reprogram in order to get it registered.

[kirkelli]

Originally Posted by Jerry713

Dang that’s frustrating. I would think there will be class action lawsuits by state on this issue with the biggest issue being resale value. If the power is noticeably reduced that has to have a negative impact on resale.

I know of someone who has a Ram that falls in this window but hasn’t received a letter yet. He’s freaking out because he deleted his emissions and wondering if Texas will also require the reprogram in order to get it registered.

i have a relative whom is a service manager for a Ram Dealer in Calf.. Just spoke with her a few minutes ago.. As part of the federal deal, Cummings is protected from any Class Action, that's why they denied any wrong doing.. And from what she knows or can discuss, there is actual emission parts being replaced and you no longer an buy the older parts as they have been removed from market several months ago.. People are very upset with the performance results after the recall..

[Route 66 Traveler]

Having gone through a similar issue with my VW Diesel Jetta a few years ago I would suggest to all of you affected by this issue contact your representatives in Washington; Senators & Congressmen. Complaining to Ram or Cummins will get you nowhere. I also imagine some of those very people also drive a Ram Diesel and are in the same predicament.

The VW fiasco took years to resolve, but in the end VW bought my car back for more than I paid for it, putting me into a much nicer car.

Good luck to everyone involved.

[jetlag]

Originally Posted by kirkelli

i have a relative whom is a service manager for a Ram Dealer in Calf.. Just spoke with her a few minutes ago.. As part of the federal deal, Cummings is protected from any Class Action, that's why they denied any wrong doing.. And from what she knows or can discuss, there is actual emission parts being replaced and you no longer an buy the older parts as they have been removed from market several months ago.. People are very upset with the performance results after the recall..

Are all the year model rams included in the recall?

[Jerry713]

Here’s a video that talks about someone from California. It actually shows his letter from Ram. Apparently there are different types of fixes for this issue as this person only has to do a reprogram. Nothing about parts was mentioned in his letter.

https://youtu.be/Lyqo5ryXHTY?feature=shared

[Jerry713]

Originally Posted by jetlag

Are all the year model rams included in the recall?

It’s my understanding it’s all 2013-2022 Ram 2500 & 3500 trucks with the Cummins engine

[jetlag]

Originally Posted by Jerry713

Here’s a video that talks about someone from California. It actually shows his letter from Ram. Apparently there are different types of fixes for this issue as this person only has to do a reprogram. Nothing about parts was mentioned in his letter.

https://youtu.be/Lyqo5ryXHTY?feature=shared

Interesting all the responses. I am posting one that looked interesting


I work for CDJR dealership. The 67A recall was already out before the news broke of the Cummins 1.6 billion dollar fine. I did my first 67A recall the Friday after thanksgiving. I’m doing at least one a day. All we do is reprogram the PCM. There is nothing other than a statement stating to bring the vehicle into emissions compliance with EPA and CARB. I saw a YouTube video from a aftermarket programmer who got busted by the EPA for selling and installing non compliant tunes. He stated he believes Cummins did was protecting the cat.scr and def under heavy loads to protect them from melt down. That is easily done with software.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by jetlag

Interesting all the responses. I am posting one that looked interesting


<<<snip>>> There is nothing other than a statement stating to bring the vehicle into emissions compliance with EPA and CARB. .

Which will be impossible for those trucks that are "Rollin Coal". As I said earlier, it's going to get interesting.

[ARoamer]

Even though I don't have a pony in this show I'd still like to see dyno results and fuel / def usage before the "fix" and after.

[spoon059]

Originally Posted by Kevin Cooper

The years are 2013-2023. 2500 & 3500
I saw one on a YouTube video for a 2017 2500 yesterday.

2013-2019 I believe are the recall.

2019.5-2023 aren't part of the recall from what I've read.

[Grumpy]

Originally Posted by spoon059

2013-2018 I believe

2019-2023 aren't part of the recall from what I've read.

Then you missed this....

The Department of Justice says Cummins allegedly installed defeat devices on 2013 to 2019 Ram 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines. It also allegedly installed undisclosed auxiliary emission control devices (AECD) on 330,000 model year 2019 to 2023 Ram 2500 and 3500 pickup truck engines.

[jetlag]

Haven't heard anything yet on mine

[Kevin Cooper]

Originally Posted by spoon059

2013-2019 I believe are the recall.

2019.5-2023 aren't part of the recall from what I've read.

Most likely since they divided the years for a reason, there will be two recalls, not just the one. Maybe the second is not out yet.
Best wishes, Kevin

[jetlag]

Originally Posted by Kevin Cooper

Most likely since they divided the years for a reason, there will be two recalls, not just the one. Maybe the second is not out yet.
Best wishes, Kevin

sure hope spoon059 is right

[Learjet]

not doing unless forced to.