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Old 07-07-2016, 04:29 PM   #1
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RV Death Sprial-editorial-race to the Bottom

This from the RV Daily Report.

RV Death Spiral: Manufacturers in race to the bottom | RV Daily Report

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Old 07-07-2016, 04:42 PM   #2
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pretty good read right there and so true. However, we've been lucky so far, we've owned 2 new ones (not jayco) and so far the only issue we had is the hot water heater won't run on electric in our current one, only propane, other then that been lucky. (knock on wood). I have heard of horror stories of folks dropping 90K for a 5'er or 100k+ for a motor coach and use it once and then it's in the shop 11 months out of the year.

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Old 07-07-2016, 05:11 PM   #3
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That`s scary stuff right there.
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Old 07-07-2016, 05:23 PM   #4
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Excellent article with a ton of truths. Just thankful I'm on my 9th RV and hopefully my last. Hopefully, mine will be out of the shop by November *LOL*
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Old 07-07-2016, 05:36 PM   #5
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I have not had problems with my X213 yet, but I made the assumption when I bought it that I would keep it five years or so, use it at about 10 times per year at 2-3 nights each outing, and that the trade-in value will be zero. Yeah, the RV manufacturers have a poor reputation.

Part of me wants to go buy a 30 year old Airstream, gut it, and build it my way with decent components and lots of love. Then keep it forever.
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Old 07-07-2016, 05:43 PM   #6
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As a new RV'er this article would scare me to death if I wasn't mechanically inclined. I did my research and my due diligence before I purchased my TT. I have many friends who have been camping for years who all told me how cheaply these new units are made. But, I have wanted to do this for so long, I'm willing to take on some issues for the benefits this new lifestyle will provide...
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Old 07-07-2016, 06:41 PM   #7
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That article is a highlight reel of what concerns me with the Jayco buyout.

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Old 07-07-2016, 06:49 PM   #8
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I don't know... I take the article with a grain of salt. In my opinion, it's kind of like a sensational news story that just focuses on the bad. There are many RV's, in my opinion, that don't have problems.

One thing that shows that the writer doesn't understand RV's is this paragraph:
Earlier this year, they discovered that although their RV label says the vehicle is rated to hold 18,000 pounds, the three axles on the rig were rated for 5,200 pounds each. So, in reality, their 18,000-pound RV could only safely hold 15,600 pounds.
The Heartland Cyclone trailer mentioned is a 5th wheel. Doesn't 25% of the weight go on the pin? If so, then the axles are (barely) adequate.

Anyway, the article brings up a lot of valid points regarding declining RV quality, but I believe that the majority are just fine for the most part. If every RV were in the shop for 90% of the time during the warranty period, you'd never see any new RV's on the road.

I do believe more are built shoddily, but not to the extent the writer seems to imply.

But still, I'm glad I have an older (2011) model Jayco. It's basically been really solid.
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Old 07-07-2016, 07:57 PM   #9
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The article was written by a Negative Nelly to the extreme. Yeah, there's a lot of problems and you'd better be handy to own an RV, but all the negativity he spouts leaves me cold.
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If everything said was true, no mfg would stay in business more than a few years, when warranty claims would over take any profit from selling the unit. We all know some RV's have major issues, typically human error, but, most only have small issues (again human error). Perhaps if the industry gets more automated some of these issues will go away. If floors, walls, roofs are assembled using automation, you will have a screw every 6" (or what is needed), and everyone will be in the center of the stud/joist. Every nail will be in exactly the right spot and every part cut with computer precision. Until then, we have to endure the dance. Labor is a part of why companies choose to move off shore, our labor force is not as well trained, and does not have the mind set (in many cases not all) to build a quality product. I'm sure the company wants it completed quickly, but with quality. Sometimes the employees choose quickly and if that means cutting corners, they do. Yes supervision should be better, but, if your too demanding, you have no employees, just a sad reflection of the times we live in.

All the more important to do a good PDI and to know how to look for issues before they become a problem. The water in the compartment should of been caught after the first shower or two.. Water dripping under the RV needs to be addressed.

I feel happy with my unit, and, at my age this is most likely my last, so I may be ok.

Maybe as mfg merge they will get into automated assembly of at least some components. Hopefully that may help some.

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