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Old 08-19-2015, 03:37 PM   #21
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Old 08-19-2015, 03:48 PM   #22
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I am trying to understand the reasons why people are supporting Hondas that much. Sorry, I am newbie...

Champion is quieter than Honda (either as 3100W model or as 2 2000W units) and significantly cheaper. Is it about reliability of Hondas? What about Champion - I did not see any terrible reviews of Champion.

BTW - this is a common standard to measure the noise from 7 meters, so Champion and Honda db number are comparable (i.e. Champion is quieter).
To answer this question, go into any Home Depot and look at the brand of small gas engines are on over 90% of their rental equipment, they're all Honda. The first couple of years Champion might be comparable to the Honda, but 10 years from now is where the extra value comes through. Simply put, in the small engine market, Honda is second to none. If the Champion is going to be only for occasional use, it probably is not worth spending the extra money for Honda durability and longevity but if you plan on using it regularly for a number of years, you will appreciate the investment.
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Appreciate your response. This is was I thought, i.e. that reliability of Honda results in so many proud owners. At the same time, from my brief research it results that Champion made a significant improvement in terms of the performance in the last 2-3 years. As I mentioned, Champion is quieter than Honda and even though Honda owners are claiming something opposite. I am expecting 4-5 years of the usage. So, Champion with an extended warranty may be a better option for me.

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Old 08-20-2015, 04:56 PM   #24
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On rare occasion we might run our TT AC when we dry camp if we had a generator that would support the load. We can't currently do that with our EU2000i so I have been watching Craigslist for a Honda 2000 companion.

Watching CL has shown me I can easily sell my Honda for $700+, and in a couple months when Costco has the Champion on sale again I can pickup a 2800/3100 inverter for the same price which can run my AC.

if you were in my shoes would you make the change?
I did the exact same thing you are asking. I sold my Honda 2000 for $850 on craigslist. My buddy had bought the Champion and we tested the noise side by side. Then we used his to see if my 15k AC would turn on. When it did, I knew I had to sell the Honda and get the Champion. It was on sale at Costco for $699 and it goes on sale every three months or so from what I can see. Great upgrade in my opinion. Best part is I bought my Honda for $899 on sale and used it for a year - not much, but it only cost me $49 for the year. Also, since I bought it at Costco, if I ever have a problem, I can return it for a full refund.
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Old 08-20-2015, 05:11 PM   #25
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Where do you store your Champion when traveling? Do you have a tray in the back? Can you move the generator by yourself? It is around 80 lbs I guess. I can handle 80 lbs, but I am not sure if the shape of this unit makes it difficult, etc.
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Old 08-20-2015, 05:33 PM   #26
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I have mine in the back of my truck - I have a shell. I can lift it, but it is heavy - not ridiculous, but I usually try and get a second person. I think moving it around is a lot easier than my Honda was since it has the high handle with the wheels. The shape and where the handles are makes it easy to move around. I have not used it while in the back of my truck, but I have thought that I could if I wanted. I would just have to open the shell windows. I have a couple of extension cords that would let me reach.
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I have the Yamaha EF2000iSCH and used it on my previous Jayco X213. Now that I have a fifth wheel and a 15k air, looking at one that will run it and a few other appliances.

The reason I went with the Yamaha is the fuel shut off switch. It empties the carburetor so there is no residual fuel left behind - which can result in the generator not starting after a period of time.

I am thinking that with the new whisper quiet 15k air in Jayco's that they will use less starting wattage to run it and a 3100 generator should be perfect.

Any actual experience with the new 15k air and a 3100 generator?
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Old 08-20-2015, 06:36 PM   #28
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Is this a new model of the 15k aircon? Are they installing this on White Hawks?
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We have it in our Eagle HT, and it is extremely quiet. But it could also be the fact that it is ducted with no ceiling unit. I will have to go through the documentation on the actual air conditioner to see if it is more efficient than older models.
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The regular AC efficiency is not the issue. Running watts for my 15k unit is only about 1600W. The problem is starting current. That spikes at something like 25A or more. The AC's have capacitors that will 'slow' that current surge. You can also buy 'soft start' kits that are basically bigger capacitors.

That is why we could run our 13k AC on our old fiver with a 2400W Yamaha generator (just barely).

PS I am going through the same decision making process. Two 2000W genset or a 3500W.
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