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08-09-2011, 01:59 PM
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surge protector
Reading in some posts and I had never thought about a need for a surge protector..... is this something one would need anytime plugged in or just if you have used the reducer and are plugged into a 110 outlet? I sure don't want any surges taking out the electrical in my camper.... thanks everyone!
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08-09-2011, 02:06 PM
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A surge does not care how you are plugged in, you can get one with any adapter or plug in configuration.
When you are shopping around - there are just surge protectors and there are also protection devices that also protect against high/low voltage, miswires, etc.
Now having said all that - you have to decide if it is worth it for you. I bet 80% or more of folks dont have them and a majority of them will probably never see a surge. I went ahead and sprung for one that detects faults as well - mainly because I leave mine plugged in while it is stored so my chances of a surge or sag are greater. I also like it because I dont have to check my pedestal before I plug in - the device does it for me.
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08-09-2011, 02:32 PM
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From general publick view, Surge Protectors are a "nice to have" item. Each Surge protection device has its own pros/cons and purchase price. Some are portable and some are fixed. For best protection (as proactive insurance), I'd install a 2 x Tier system.
Tier 1 - This involves installing an RV Surge protector on your RVs main line. Something that has an LED "number" Display - to show current AC levels and can visually show the different variances - as other RVs plug into the same pony panel. My Jayco has a simple Surge Protection with simple LED on/off light system that works great but to view its AC levels (re: 109 Volts or pershaps 125 Volts), I need to use my hand held volt meter. Add the cost of Surge Protector and hand held Volt Meter and I could have bought a more expensive RV Surge Protector with LED "number" display system - instead of LED off/on light display.
For Tier 2 Surge Protection, simply buy lots of Socket Surge Protectors and install inside your TT. For example, http://www.ottawaprices.ca/WebProduc...VFL200-CAN.jpg on your Coffee pot, another one on our Fridge, another one on your TV/DVD system.
Tier 1 protection allows "main line" insurance. Tier 2 proteciton allows "individual" outlet protection insurance. If wondering, my Jayco has both and they work great. My future RV/TT will use 2 Tier protection as well. IMO, RV Surge protection is worth the cost - due to high cost of electronic replacements. Fridge circuit board, AC circuit board and Furnance circuit board replacements are very expensive. To me, RV Surge protection on "main line" should be minimum code.
Good luck....
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08-09-2011, 05:32 PM
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Being on a seasonal site we're plugged in from April 15th to October 15th. A surge protector was important to me because considering what it would cost to replace all the electronics in our TT, AC, microwave, 2 tv's, hot water heater, fridge, etc, I consider it cheap insurance. BTW, I went with one from Progressive Industries.
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08-09-2011, 06:17 PM
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Thanks so much....I will definitely get this done....
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08-09-2011, 08:06 PM
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Got ours today! After seeing what a surge did to our friends Jayco, it was well worth it!! Their hybrid spent 6 weeks in the shop and had a bill of over $800!!
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08-10-2011, 08:55 AM
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Keep in mind, the surge protector is intended for medium level surge events. If the surge is caused by a really close lightning strike, most likely the surge protector will be overwhelmed. Surge protectors are good to have though.
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08-10-2011, 10:07 AM
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Agree that Surge Protection will NOT stop a direct lightling bolt hit or even a super huge zap down the main wires. Each Surge Protection unit has its MOVs and "clamping" numbers. I'm sure there's many university electrical students who studied statistical deviations of direct, near direct and further away electric spikes. I'm sure many electrical professionals did many "studies" on diffent protection ranges (and incident classifications) and protection levels as well.
For me... I do know that my seasonal site TT is connected to a Pony Panel, that has 5 other items on it. There is 4 trailers and the main gate. One night, there was a bad lightling storm and 2 of those trailers got damage. 1 Trailer survived (because the guy unplugs his TT) and my TT (which has a Surge Guard 30A "hard wired" unit) survived. The CG owner needed an $800 circuit board replacement in his main gate. The other 2 x "damaged" trailers needed some type of electrical rework as well. Today, 1 of those "damaged" trailers now has surge protection. He learned the hard way. The other TT owner still doesn't feel that "proactive" surge protection is required. If wondering, the other TT owner still unplugs his TT - when he leaves for the week. Long mumblings short... The pre-owned $225 Surge Guard (that I bought for my TT) and its many internal "outlet" Surge Protection devices was well worth it. Glad I bought it. And, my next TT will have a 2 x Tier proactive protection system as well.
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08-10-2011, 11:12 AM
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There's more to protecting your electrical system than just surge protection. Too much or not enough voltage (the latter being more likely) is more likely to cause damage than a surge. Another less likely danger is an improperly wired CG socket. A good EMS (Energy Management System) will protect one from all those dangers. They can be had in portable units that plug into the CG socket and have a socket to plug your RV cable into or permanently installed ones that are hardwired into the RV. This is the one I'm planning on installing in my TT when I get it. I have concerns that a portable unit might grow legs plus it would be one more thing to have to deal with when tearing down and setting up. The hardwired model also has a remote monitor display that can be mounted in a convenient place inside.
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08-10-2011, 11:24 AM
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Jeannie - that is the EMS unit I have (in 30 amp version). Been very happy with it so far. Only problem I had was during my bench test the voltage was off by about 5 volts. I had to send it in and have it re-calibrated, but PI took good care of me and got it back in just a few days. The remote display is also really nice! I actually did a little mod on the display and added a darker window so it was not so distracting.
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08-10-2011, 01:10 PM
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Yes. There's a huge differece between the "cheap" Surge Protection devices and proper RV class production devices. The better "RV products" are more then just surge protection - which is basic MOV items. The better RV Surge Protection also have a switch inside them. If volts are too low or volts are too high, they also "switch" themselves off (aka: cut all down stream power). And, keep the power off for 2.5+ minutes - while the RV's AC compression de-compresses itself. The "lower end" RV Surge protection doesn't switch off or "time out". They only supress the lows / highs - as much as they can, and remain on. Thus, abusing your TT's AC - if it happen to on at the same time.
When picking an RV Surge protection unit, do read its feature "very carefully". They each have pros / cons. For my next TT (if I replace my current re-built Jayco), I would probably purchase a "hardwired" http://www.progressiveindustries.net/ems_hw30c.htm - for my TT's 30A system. Its one of the better RV Surge Protection, Switch, LED "number display" devices on the market. And, have a solid market reputaton as well.
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08-10-2011, 04:05 PM
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Spike99, glad to hear your TT was protected from the surge. Here is another story; a friend of mine suffered a lightning strike to his house. He had several good quality, high joules, surge protectors. Even so, he lost a dozen pieces of electronic equipment, and it scared the heck out of him and his family. There are limits to what the surge protectors can do for you. The house insurance covered the loss. In case you're wondering, I do have a surge protector for the TT. They are worth having.
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08-10-2011, 05:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David472
Spike99, glad to hear your TT was protected from the surge. Here is another story; a friend of mine suffered a lightning strike to his house. He had several good quality, high joules, surge protectors. Even so, he lost a dozen pieces of electronic equipment, and it scared the heck out of him and his family. There are limits to what the surge protectors can do for you. The house insurance covered the loss. In case you're wondering, I do have a surge protector for the TT. They are worth having.
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Agreed. No surge protector in the world can hold back direct hits and over blistering electrical / lighting strikes. Think I already mention that in one of my above posts. Guess some folks missed that.
If ask for protection or NO protection at typical brown outs and high spike "dirty grid" Camp Ground site, I'll take the protection. RV Surge devices (especially the better devices) are good devices for typical CG dirty grids, and near region electrical hits. I don't leave home without RV Surge Protection. Just like I don't pull a trailer without a spare tire. To me, doing that isn't worth the danger and stick in a bad situation risk either... But, some folks do.... If wondering, I have Main Panel Sugre protection on my home. To me, that hard wired Tier 1 protection is worth its $220 as well. Esepcially for my attached generator - that "can" provide dirty power as well.
As you know, some people don't have to install RV or home panel Surge Protection. Living in a free region of our world, folks don't have to do what they don't want to. But if given a choice (for a small $200 cost), I always recommend RV Surge Protection. And, home's main panel Surge protection as well - even though it cannot take the extreme low risk of a 100% direct lighting bolt hit.
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08-11-2011, 09:07 AM
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Too many campgrounds are miss-wired. so I have one of these
http://www.campingworld.com/shopping...rge-guard/2279
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08-11-2011, 12:40 PM
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I have the same one that Seann has.
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08-12-2011, 02:52 PM
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Have the 30 amp one. Was in a cg in Ohio that had a lighening strick. Saved my butt but others were not so lucky.
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08-25-2011, 09:10 PM
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Any suggestions on how to secure one of the Progressive Industries portable units? It has a metal tab with a hole for locking it to the power pole. Thinking about a cable and 2 padlocks. Can't see how to secure it with just 1 lock.
Cheers,
T_
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08-26-2011, 06:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedHorse1
Any suggestions on how to secure one of the Progressive Industries portable units? It has a metal tab with a hole for locking it to the power pole. Thinking about a cable and 2 padlocks. Can't see how to secure it with just 1 lock.
Cheers,
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Loop the cable around the pole a time or two and secure both ends to the metal tab with one padlock.
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08-26-2011, 06:54 AM
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I use a combination lock bike cable wrapped around the pedestal. The end of the cable fits right thru the hole in the metal tab.
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08-26-2011, 07:23 AM
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Any self-respecting thief with bolt cutters can have those in a under a min. that is why when I changed my power cord to a plug in style from the pull out... I put the unit inside my rig... now if it ever needs replacing I will go with the hardwired one.
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2004 Chev Silverado Duramax optioned past the max. 2009 Jayco Eagle 308 RLS 900watts of solar, Lithium batteries (400amp hour), 2000 watt (4000 surge) whole house inverter.
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