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Old 09-17-2018, 04:18 PM   #1
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Trade in for newer truck or not - help!

Needs some help deciding on whether a potential new truck is worth it. Our current truck pulls fine around Texas but we do want to start heading up to Colorado and concerned the current truck will struggle.
Current truck - 2015 F150 Lariat 5.0 V8, 385 HP, 387 lb torque, GVW 7,000lbs, max towing 9,000lbs , paid off
Potential truck - 2017 F250 Lariat 6.2 V8, 385 HP, 430 lb torque, GVW 10,000lbs, max towing pckg 17,600lbs, $20k investment.
Towing - 2018 Jayco Whitehawk 24mbh @ 6500lbs.

A few questions - is the extra torque, payload and towing capabilities worth investing? Will I see a noticeable difference in towing or ease of towing from the truck on hills/mountains?

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Old 09-17-2018, 04:44 PM   #2
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Have you been through the TX hill country?
That's as big a challenge as I experienced when going to Chama NM (9000') and back.

I'd give the f150 a run at it.
The non turbo gassers are going to suffer a little at altitude regardless of displacement.
Honestly, the speed limits in the mountain areas are pretty easy to maintain anyway.

If the 1st trip isn't satisfactory, go for the upgrade.
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Have you been through the TX hill country?
That's as big a challenge as I experienced when going to Chama NM (9000') and back.

I'd give the f150 a run at it.
The non turbo gassers are going to suffer a little at altitude regardless of displacement.
Honestly, the speed limits in the mountain areas are pretty easy to maintain anyway.

If the 1st trip isn't satisfactory, go for the upgrade.

Very sound advice. See what it can do first.
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Yes. We went down to Caynon Lake and took 281 from DFW area. The truck kept speed but on a several of the hills, it dropped to 3rd even 2nd a twice or two. Decided on way back to go 35 back north and was a much more easy drive vs listening to the motor work
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Old 09-17-2018, 08:50 PM   #5
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I'd keep the current one. I would not expect for you to notice much difference between the two trucks unless one has a different transmission (ie, more gears).
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Old 09-18-2018, 09:19 AM   #6
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Needs some help deciding on whether a potential new truck is worth it. Our current truck pulls fine around Texas but we do want to start heading up to Colorado and concerned the current truck will struggle.
Current truck - 2015 F150 Lariat 5.0 V8, 385 HP, 387 lb torque, GVW 7,000lbs, max towing 9,000lbs , paid off
Potential truck - 2017 F250 Lariat 6.2 V8, 385 HP, 430 lb torque, GVW 10,000lbs, max towing pckg 17,600lbs, $20k investment.
Towing - 2018 Jayco Whitehawk 24mbh @ 6500lbs.

A few questions - is the extra torque, payload and towing capabilities worth investing? Will I see a noticeable difference in towing or ease of towing from the truck on hills/mountains?

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Funny that you call your truck the OLDER one as it is 5 years newer than mine. Suspect you are speaking more about the drive train than the age of the truck. In either regard I would stick with what you own.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:11 AM   #7
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YOLO, no one ever said they have too much truck.
Get that new truck.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:41 AM   #8
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New truck only new until first payment, keep old truck!Got 12 years on 06 Ram dully.
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Old 09-18-2018, 11:21 AM   #9
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Will the truck be the daily driver? If yes, a 6.2 will eat the gas badly.
If not, I would go for the bigger truck
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Old 09-18-2018, 12:00 PM   #10
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Will the truck be the daily driver? If yes, a 6.2 will eat the gas badly.
Yeah the 6.2l will pass everything but a gas station but it's not really that bad. My '17 gets 9 mpg pulling our 9200lb Eagle and around 15 overall. Starting in '17 they increased the torque value on the 6.2l to 430 ft.lbs.
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Old 09-18-2018, 01:04 PM   #11
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Your F150 is more the adequate.
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Old 09-18-2018, 03:52 PM   #12
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Thank you all for the replies and good information. We worked with the dealer and got trade in value and sales price where we wanted but ultimately decided to walk away. Hard to beat no payments and didn’t see a huge upside in engine. If we are to trade in, we will probable go to the 6.7l diesel down the road. The truck now is my daily driver so the extra gas mileage daily out-weighed any additional towing capabilities that would be used on occasion.
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Old 09-18-2018, 10:23 PM   #13
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I can't speak for the Ford trucks, I'm a long time Dodge guy. We upgraded out travel trailer this summer. We went from a Viking pop up to a X23B hybrid. We pulled the pop up with my old 97 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 4.0L inline 6 and 3:55 gears. I thought I'd be able to pull the hybrid with it. I tried it. Found out on the first trip out it was NOT enough. I was fine on flat ground and gentle hills. We live in the Sierra Nevada mountains. First trip we went to a local lake and there is a 8 mile stepped climb up there. The Jeep had a 180 deg thermostat and at the top of the hill, the temp gauge was reading 210 and climbing. I was in 1 gear and only doing about 20-25 mph. To get the trailer in the spot we picked, I had to back it uphill. In order to get the trailer in there, I had to shift the Jeep in to 4WD low range to get the torque I needed. I have since upgraded the tow vehicle. I bought a used 01 Durango, 5.9L V8 gas engine, 3:92 gears. 2nd trip out with the Jayco, we went to the same lake. This time I tool a different route up there. A 7 mile steady climbing pull. The Dodge did the job and never complained. I had to shift into 1st gear and was climbing at about 30-35 mph, but the temp gauge never moved. Much happier with the Dodge. We gave the Jeep to our 17yo grandson.

I guess the moral of this is, try towing with the vehicle you have. After a trip or two , you'll be able to determine if you're comfortable with what you have or if you need to upgrade. In the FWIW, when we took delivery of our Jayco, my Jeep wasn't yet set up to tow, no electrical plug, no WDH, no trailer brake controller. I asked a friend if he would tow it home for us. He has a 2015 Ram 1500 with the 3.0L EcoDiesel and tow package. It was over 300 mile one way. His truck was getting 30 mpg on the way down running 60-65. On the way home towing the trailer, still running 60-65, he was getting 17 mpg. If I had the finances to buy one, I would have.
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Old 09-19-2018, 09:44 AM   #14
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With the weight of the F250 the extra torque will be negated. You would be better off spending $00-$500 on a tuner to make that power up, get a dedicated tow tune that will help shifting and power and could also net you a little gain in MPG.
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Old 09-26-2018, 12:04 PM   #15
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keep the old truck .. dont waste money , you are going to be able to climb everything you are going to encounter, if the truck rev, and downshift who cares ? Put it to work use it, these are are made to work, you trailer is not that heavy, you dont pull professionnaly so why throwing money away ? beat the s...t out of it its built ford tough after all :-)
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Try it and see how you like it, or what your tolerance level is for the downshifting- I live in Montana and have towed here all my life... sometimes with enough power sometimes without. it will just downshift perhaps more than you would like, and on a few of the bigger pass's at a lower speed than you would like- If that is the only reason for a upgrade, I would wait and see-
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I'd keep the current one. I would not expect for you to notice much difference between the two trucks unless one has a different transmission (ie, more gears).

What you will notice is fuel consumption. I have a 2015 SCREW XLT 3.55 axle and 2.7 EB. No tow, get 22-25mpg. Towing is always under 12mpg unless I have a tail wind. I tow a JayFeather 23RL with no problem, sub 6,000 lbs. My 2.7EB is rated at 7,500 tow capacity.


Step son bought a used (12k miles) 2016 F250 Lariat SCREW with a 6.2L and CNG equipped. Running light, 14mpg. Towing his 27ft 10 year old TT (dragger) he got 7-8mpg. On CNG it did not vary more than .5 mpg.
His 2008 F250 King Ranch Power Stroke with DEF deleted and 4" pipe out the back (145K) consistently gets 22-24mpg unloaded. With the same TT as above, 15-16mpg. It sounds like a jet taking off, blows a Bejing size smog cloud out of the pipe on liftoff, it's fast, fun and not smog legal.
He got tired of feeding the 2016, traded it for a 2018 F250 SCREW Platinum Power Stroke. One trip to Northern Colorado from Texas Panhandle with a new 30ft fifth wheel and all he managed was 9-10mpg. And had to add DEF.



Point here is: Ford rates the EB engines only marginally higher tow cap than the 5.0. The transmissions are the same. Rear end numbers count. Moving to a 6.2 gasser will give you a little more towing cap, a lot less fuel mileage. Don't trade unless you "need a new truck". The one you have will work just fine until further updates in technology come along.
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I use a 2012 F-150 EcoBoost. I'm pulling a 265 r l s and it pulls it fine.
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Our 3/4 ton GMC DuraMax Diesel with Allison transmission is a 2008 model and pulls our 42 foot 13,800 lb (empty) 5yh wheel with ease, no slowdowns going uphill. Has very same engine as the comparable 1 ton. We love our truck!
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Needs some help deciding on whether a potential new truck is worth it. Our current truck pulls fine around Texas but we do want to start heading up to Colorado and concerned the current truck will struggle.
Current truck - 2015 F150 Lariat 5.0 V8, 385 HP, 387 lb torque, GVW 7,000lbs, max towing 9,000lbs , paid off
Potential truck - 2017 F250 Lariat 6.2 V8, 385 HP, 430 lb torque, GVW 10,000lbs, max towing pckg 17,600lbs, $20k investment.
Towing - 2018 Jayco Whitehawk 24mbh @ 6500lbs.

A few questions - is the extra torque, payload and towing capabilities worth investing? Will I see a noticeable difference in towing or ease of towing from the truck on hills/mountains?

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I would get the newer truck, especially if your coming to Colorado. I currently have a 2007 Dodge Ram 1500 with the 4.8 Magnum engine in and it struggles going up the mountain. Looking to purchase a Ram 2500 or something along the same line.
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