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Old 11-10-2013, 02:07 PM   #1
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Question Where to find a propane tank leak proof brass cap

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Our --my son's-- camper is parked in his driveway. Since there have been recurring thefts in his neighborhood, when not camping and during during the winter month, he disconnects his two 5 gallon propane tanks and stores them in his garage.

We have been looking high and low for
(1) 5 gallon propane tank brass/metal cap that screws on to the tank valve to keep the tank from leaking, or
(2) a simple screw on cut off/shut off valve.

Does anybody know where either of the above items can be found?

Does anybody use any of the above items?

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The tanks should not leak with the valve shut off.
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If the tank is leaking I would take it to a registered LP dealer to have the tank emptied and disposed of. Don't forget to store your tanks in a non-enclosed area.
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X3. If your tank leaks ANYWHERE with the valve fully closed, it is a dangerous tank. Period. If the valve is leaking, it can be replaced with a new one. If the leak is anywhere else, the tank is junk. Trying to trap the leaking gas in a cap is asking for trouble.
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Agree with the last 2 posts. If the valve leaks, it is no good.
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... he disconnects his two 5 gallon propane tanks and stores them in his garage.

...
Thanks!

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I presume that you are concerned that the tank valves may leak so you want to have a secondary cover for safety?

I did a search and couldn't find a metal cover/seal either. That doesn't mean that they don't exist, but I suspect that they may not based upon the valve design.

This is why I think that.

Your (newer style) tank already has a secondary safety check valve built in.

The standard travel trailer propane tank uses an Acme Low Pressure Fitting. That fitting inserts into the inside of the valve body at which time the tip presses against the safety check seal to open it and allow flow. You may have noticed at one time or other that if the plastic Acme knob isn't tight enough that you get no gas pressure. In that situation the nub hasn't been pressed in far enough to release that safety valve.

As to an external cap, the valve connection style is not really designed to seal to any external parts. (The plastic storage covers are to keep the valve clean.)

Being that the newer style Acme propane tank valve has that built in spring loaded safety check valve it makes any external cap seal sort of unnecessary. There is also a built in tank pressure relief to vent the tank if the pressure becomes too high.

There is likely better description out in the World Wide Web than I gave here.

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Thanks to all that have replied for your very detailed replies.

How can one tell if one has one of the newer tanks with the Acme Low Pressure Fitting? The tanks on the trailer look fairly old...

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I presume this is an example of an Acme Low Pressure Fitting

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I presume this is an example of an Acme Low Pressure Fitting

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That's it. Acme refers to the thread style on the black nut/twist handle, not really the entire regulator and connector assembly you show in the picture.

I would believe that there are few of the older style valve with left hand connector tanks still around because for many years now regulations require that those valves be replaced. It is illegal to refill the tanks with the older style valve. The "Acme" style tank valves will still accept the older style left hand thread connector though.

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The new valves do not have a round wheel to open and close. The new valves have a three sided wheel to open and close. As mentioned the new style will accept an outside connector or a left handed inside connector.
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It occured to me that I didn't answer the 2nd part of the original post for brass.

If you are not satisfied that the built in secondary check seal offers enough safety for garage storage there is a brass fitting alternative. You could buy a left hand thread connector and cap it using a pipe cap.

Here is one example.

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A local industrial gas supplier or welding supply store would likely have them in stock. Another possible supply would be someone's discarded old style gas grill by the side of the road. Be quick though or the scrappers will beat you to it.

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Yeah the old style valves can no longer be legally filled and the new style, well I`ve never seen one leak yet. The old style you could turn on the valve with nothing attached to it and it would release propane but not the new OPD valves......
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... well I`ve never seen one leak yet. ......
Nor have I.

To be clear, I was just trying to provide the information for a brass secondary plug as requested. Personally I wouldn't worry.

The new propane valves are extremely reliable. That said, so were the old style valves. The newer Acme style design does away with the confusing and harder to use (for the general public) left hand fine thread on the connection. The Overfill Prevention Device OPD came after the Acme style valve was introduced. As was mentioned, the older Acme valves do not have the three corner valve handwheel (knob) design and cannot legally be refilled.

A quick search found this link for anyone interested in more information.

http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/i...ll/infopd.html

There are many specific compressed gas bottle connections in the CGA Compressed Gas Association standards. The left hand thread is reserved for flammable gas. The Acme style connector was a method around that left hand thread issue. That said, they haven't eliminated the ability to be able to use the left hand thread connector on Acme style valves. I doubt that they ever will eliminate it as that connection design remains a standard.

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I still have a few devices that require the backward thread connection, an old propane distribution tree and a couple MR heaters that mount on the tank. As mentioned the new valves still accommodate those devices.
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Thanks you for the many in depth replies. They are most appreciated. THANKS!
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