Anybody towing heavy 5th wheel (14k+) with a 2022 2500 duramax?

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by CAG

I towed the 37' Cyclone, 14K with a 2004 and 2014 Duramax 2500 short bed for 10 years. The truck will pull about anything and blow most Fords and Dodges off the road going uphill (that should start something) and never had a problem.



I am sure that there were times where I was over weight or at the upper end but most of my trips were in-state.



I am not sure what you are looking for but a 3500 would be better just for safety sake.

Thanks for the reply CAG - I am looking at a 14,500lbs 40 ft pinnacle and my tuck is a 2022 2500 duramax.

[Rodney27405]

373 BHOK. Added a set up Sumo Springs which did help with the squat. I do agree with another post I saw that there probably isn't that much difference between the 2500 and a 3500SRW. I think the extra set of wheels on the DRW makes all of the difference, less flex in the tires and 4 tires help to keep the trailer from pushing the truck around.

[Jagiven]

Originally Posted by Cincinnati Kid

Dry hitch weight is completely empty of everything, as it rolls out the factory door. You will be overloaded as soon as you hook up at the dealership. Everything you add to the trailer or truck is going to make this overload worse.

X2

Dry weight is a marketing thing. You need to look at GVW of the 5ver. List GVWR is 16,995. Pin weight should be 20 to 25% of GVWR. for calculations, use 25%, that's 4,249 lbs. That sounds like dually territory.

[TCNashville]

Originally Posted by 1snowrider

I will be moving this one a short distance and it will sit on a seasonal site almost most if not all of the time I will own it.

Lol, you could've possibly avoided a lot of these comments if you stated this in the first place.

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by TCNashville

Lol, you could've possibly avoided a lot of these comments if you stated this in the first place.

Still need the advice on whether its a safe idea to even hook this rv up to my truck . So many mixed thoughts on the subject. I have no doubt my truck can pull it, I just don't want to be unsafe on the road and secondly possibly damage the truck and or coach-

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by jetlag

I pull a Pinnacle 36FBTS with a 2021 Ram 3500 SRW and long bed with no issues. Pulls and handles fine, and we get around 10.3-10.5mpg. Sometimes, like yesterday in heavy rains, 9.5

Nice - and you have air ride air bags ? You notice any difference
using the bags ?
Thanks!

[Rodney27405]

Originally Posted by 1snowrider

Still need the advice on whether its a safe idea to even hook this rv up to my truck . So many mixed thoughts on the subject. I have no doubt my truck can pull it, I just don't want to be unsafe on the road and secondly possibly damage the truck and or coach-

Found a weigh ticket from the 2500. The rear axle was was 6800# with a pin weight of right at 4000#. Odds are you are going to be slightly more over weight with the Pinnacle so it is your call if you are comfortable with overloading your truck for a short trip and how much you are comfortable pushing the limit. Personally, in your situation, I would find a buddy with a dually or just pay someone to transport the trailer to your campsite and keep the 2500. Paying $80K for a new dually that is going to be a pain to drive at all other times simply to move a trailer one time seems like total overkill
Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth

[Jagiven]

If your just hauling it to camp after purchase. Haul it empty, and your pin weight will be around 3000 lbs. You'll be fine. Put a few items o. It for the 1st weekend, you should still be fine. Following weekend load up the truck will all your stuff.

[Cincinnati Kid]

Yes, a one shot deal, or once a year move? Don't even spend money on a hitch. Just ask the campground if they know anyone, or call a service.

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by Rodney27405

Found a weigh ticket from the 2500. The rear axle was was 6800# with a pin weight of right at 4000#. Odds are you are going to be slightly more over weight with the Pinnacle so it is your call if you are comfortable with overloading your truck for a short trip and how much you are comfortable pushing the limit. Personally, in your situation, I would find a buddy with a dually or just pay someone to transport the trailer to your campsite and keep the 2500. Paying $80K for a new dually that is going to be a pain to drive at all other times simply to move a trailer one time seems like total overkill
Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth

Good advice . I may just do exactly that .

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by Jagiven

If your just hauling it to camp after purchase. Haul it empty, and your pin weight will be around 3000 lbs. You'll be fine. Put a few items o. It for the 1st weekend, you should still be fine. Following weekend load up the truck will all your stuff.

I was thinking the same. If I move it at all , it will be short distance and both the rv and the truck will be empty.

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by Cincinnati Kid

Yes, a one shot deal, or once a year move? Don't even spend money on a hitch. Just ask the campground if they know anyone, or call a service.

Rv is coming with the slider hitch. If I move her at all, it will be a very short haul and both the truck and rv will be empty.

[TxLoser]

One more log on the fire here…..

An interesting thing I noted pulling my trailer with both a 2016 2500, and now a 2022 2500. On the 2016 black Sumo’s(3000lb) did the job, Timbrens were jarring and generally unpleasant. With the 2022 Sumo’s didn’t do the job, and stepping up to Timbrens we’re about right. The 2016 had a GVWR of 10K new one is 11350. Like the suspensions are softer on the new ones but the GVWR went up. Or all is about the same and the trucks are nearly level from the factory exaggerating the sag. Confused. Drink your morning coffee and ponder that.

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by TxLoser

One more log on the fire here…..

An interesting thing I noted pulling my trailer with both a 2016 2500, and now a 2022 2500. On the 2016 black Sumo’s(3000lb) did the job, Timbrens were jarring and generally unpleasant. With the 2022 Sumo’s didn’t do the job, and stepping up to Timbrens we’re about right. The 2016 had a GVWR of 10K new one is 11350. Like the suspensions are softer on the new ones but the GVWR went up. Or all is about the same and the trucks are nearly level from the factory exaggerating the sag. Confused. Drink your morning coffee and ponder that.

So timbrens on the 2022 we’re bested feel?
Thanks for the note

[billcf7]

GM trucks have the best load stickers

[TxLoser]

That’s new since 2020 I think. I agree. Outside of hitting a scale, that’s the best starting point. Don’t know if Ford or Ram do that.

A little light on the goose weight though as it applies to fifth wheels. It’s only 15% in their application. Usually I think 20% or more is more likely.

[Zs387RDFS]

Originally Posted by TxLoser

...In GM world, currently the rear end is bigger, and you get a top overload on the 3500. The current year 2500 rear end is the same size as prior models 3500(-2019) which worked fine. All else is the same between these current year models. Maybe something about full torque in 1st gear on a 3500. Not certain on that. Even tires and wheels for the most part.

Correct - FOR THE DURAMAX EQUIPPED TRUCKS



I'm sure I'll be flamed on this but I 'converted' my 2018 2500 Denali (sig) to a 1 ton simply by swapping out the tires for more load capable tires, and adding air bags. I don't even need the airbags for squat, but it does help with stability and ride quality.
I'm very happy with the resulting towing experience with my setup, even in high cross winds.
Your limited towing requirements as stated should not require a 1T dually IMHO.

[Marine71-76]

Everyone talks about pulling, passing other units and the squat. That is great. But the bigger concern should be stopping or slowing down while going downhill. We have seen units jackknifed.

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by Zs387RDFS

Correct - FOR THE DURAMAX EQUIPPED TRUCKS



I'm sure I'll be flamed on this but I 'converted' my 2018 2500 Denali (sig) to a 1 ton simply by swapping out the tires for more load capable tires, and adding air bags. I don't even need the airbags for squat, but it does help with stability and ride quality.
I'm very happy with the resulting towing experience with my setup, even in high cross winds.
Your limited towing requirements as stated should not require a 1T dually IMHO.

Thank you for replying. So I was thinking about doing the same and giving it a try. You like the ride ? Tires are 18 s? What is the load rating on them as I will investigate getting the same.

[1snowrider]

Originally Posted by Marine71-76

Everyone talks about pulling, passing other units and the squat. That is great. But the bigger concern should be stopping or slowing down while going downhill. We have seen units jackknifed.

All good points to mention. This can happen with a larger truck or dually
As well if driving too fast or recklessly.