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Old 03-06-2016, 10:27 PM   #21
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Old 03-06-2016, 10:54 PM   #22
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What year is your Odyssey? Ours is a 2012 Touring and while we don't tow with ours we load it up pretty good sometimes and I am considering putting Timbrens on it as well its time for new rear shocks. Just something to think about when loading up the Van then adding the trailer to it.

We purchased both our Campers straight from Orlando RV and have been happy with them (went back to our same salesman 3 yrs later) as far as the sales side. Both times they beat the quote I got from RV Direct Online (same company/owners) and I worked direct with them in Orlando, and negotiated in person and through email, actually closed the deal on our 1st Camper with Matt Strollo. I never had to use them for Service so can not speak to that side of their business and from reading some reviews I hope we don't have to. I can fix almost anything so would only be for major things and would most likely go to a different Jayco dealer.

Is the local dealer you mention in St Augustine?
Hey thanks a lot for the info and the good word on your experience with Orlando RV. Yes, the local dealership I started the process with was in St. Augustine, but they were almost $3,500 more than our quote with RV Direct, then when I passed the RV Direct quote, they came down but still about $2,000 more. The RV Direct sales rep over the phone was not pushy, very easy to deal with and Orlando RV is only about another hour from where we are in Jax anyways. I just hope it isn't one of those things where it's been a good experience so far but we are still waiting for our delivery...finger crossed.

Regarding the Odyssey, I just installed a bunch of stuff so it can tow our camper and among the goodies were Air Lift 1000's. I read about both Timbrens and Air Lifts (Amazon, eTrailer.com reviews, this forum, Odyclub) and they really seem mixed reviews, with a slight more positive to Air Lift.

They were easy to install and I have them at 5-psi right now and they ride just like stock. Took the family and mother-in-law out for dinner last night and put the van through its paces on different condition roads. No problem, just like stock.

I did the one air fitting for both sides and the stem is hidden under the plastic cover of the left rear. You can't see it from walking up to it, yet very easy to get to and fill.

What kind of campers do you have? Any questions on the mods to my Odyssey, let me know.
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Old 03-06-2016, 11:31 PM   #23
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From what I found, your Odyssey has a towing capacity of 3500 lbs with two adults on board. Your trailer is 3310 dry weight...I could not find the load capacity of your Odyssey. But you may want to check on how much weight your van can carry. Your trailer will be about 350 - 400 lbs possibly more loaded, hitch weight. They also say when towing you need a trans cooler and power steering cooler.

There are two important part to towing, ,tow capacity and load capacity of your vehicle. With you and DW and two kids and all the stuff loaded, in either the trailer or the van you may be over weight and overload the vehicles capacity. I'm sure it will drag it down the road, but doing it safely is what is important.

If you load anything in your TT, say propane and a few gallons of water you will be over the towing capacity of your vehicle. Better to check before than have a major problem down the road. I would start by looking at your book that came with the vehicle. All I found was cargo cu ft capacity, no weight, not a good indications. There were warnings on many sights to not overload your vehicle when towing. JMHO ..

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From what I found, your Odyssey has a towing capacity of 3500 lbs with two adults on board. Your trailer is 3310 dry weight...I could not find the load capacity of your Odyssey. But you may want to check on how much weight your van can carry. Your trailer will be about 350 - 400 lbs possibly more loaded, hitch weight. They also say when towing you need a trans cooler and power steering cooler.

There are two important part to towing, ,tow capacity and load capacity of your vehicle. With you and DW and two kids and all the stuff loaded, in either the trailer or the van you may be over weight and overload the vehicles capacity. I'm sure it will drag it down the road, but doing it safely is what is important.

If you load anything in your TT, say propane and a few gallons of water you will be over the towing capacity of your vehicle. Better to check before than have a major problem down the road. I would start by looking at your book that came with the vehicle. All I found was cargo cu ft capacity, no weight, not a good indications. There were warnings on many sights to not overload your vehicle when towing. JMHO ..

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Hey Wags, thanks for the concern. I too, had the same concern before buying this floorplan. Looking at pictures of the yellow stickers for 17 XFD that are on the lots right now, 3500 lbs with a 350 TW is the ballpark that I'm expecting. I also expect our van and TT to be loaded with other items for camping (prolly not water though as we are going to try to stick to sites that have hookups for the first year or so). So I did a lot of research (both online and with experienced drivers that tow), I decided to give it a go. I read different RV forums (JOF, Airstream, Forest River) also read the Odyssey and other minivan forums to get a comprehensive idea. People are going over the 3500 towing capacity and reporting good results with the proper equipment. I also read some articles from Andy at Canam RV in Canada where they RV dealership makes custom hitches and show people that it is mainly about having the proper equipment. The Odyssey shares the same platform and drivetrain to the Pilot (4500 lbs) and Ridgeline (5000lbs) yet it has the least towing capacity. It's true the Odyssey might have more body weight but it also has lowest center of gravity, long wheelbase and good aero. So here is what I just installed:

Transmission Cooler
Class III Hitch receiver
Tekonsha P2 Brake controller
Air Lift 1000lbs air bags
4 pin harness
7 pin and brake controller harness

I also have this but won't install until I take delivery of the TT: Eaz-Lift 6,000 lbs weight distribution hitch with sway control

I expect the Odyssey to be slow, I also expect it to get poor MPGs, but if it tows my camper well, the van just broke 46,000 miles and is in great shape. To pick up the trailer I'm bringing my uncle that has a lot of towing experience and his truck to tag along.I'll have him drive it off the lot and out of Orlando with my car and see what he thinks. Then we'll swap somewhere and I'll start practicing with the kids back at home safe.

Worst case, if the van has a hard time or doesn't feel right to me (I'm a real experienced driver with track experience just not towing experience), I'm not playing games with my family and I'll sell the van and buy a more capable vehicle that serves towing and daily driving duties. Again, I'd hate to do that with how convenient this Odyssey is.

I'm very open to information and appreciate the input!
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Quite honestly, I think you are pushing the limit with your tow vehicle. I believe your tongue weight will be a lot more than you are projecting, especially when you are loaded down and have the hitch installed. Not something I would want to do. Wear and tear on the vehicle, not to mention the safety of my family, which is most important. Yes, people haul more than that, and most of the time they get away with it. But the couple of times that they don't..........not worth it to me.
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Quite honestly, I think you are pushing the limit with your tow vehicle. I believe your tongue weight will be a lot more than you are projecting, especially when you are loaded down and have the hitch installed. Not something I would want to do. Wear and tear on the vehicle, not to mention the safety of my family, which is most important. Yes, people haul more than that, and most of the time they get away with it. But the couple of times that they don't..........not worth it to me.
Hey Joe, I share your sentiment. Here's how I looked at it.

Regarding the tongue weight here are a few numbers I crunched:

-The average 17 XFD on a lot today has a yellow sticker from Jayco around 3,440-3,500 - giving me a range of TW from 340 (10% of the low) to 525 (15% of the highest I saw)
-If I load up our trailer with an extra 400 lbs of stuff - we are looking at 40 to 60 lbs more in TW.

With that in mind, I did the Eaz-Lift 6,000 lbs wdh with 600lbs in TW capacity. (I read that you don't want to go too high either). I also did the Air Lift 1000 bags in the rear to keep the Odyssey level with all this extra stuff, too.

Regarding the wear and tear: So my Odyssey shares the exact same motor and transmission (including same gear ratios) to the Honda Pilot. Same unibody construction, longer wheelbase, lower center of gravity, better weight distribution. The Odyssey does weigh 400 lbs more. However, the Pilot is rated for 4,500 lbs. Minivans in general have never had a tow rating increase since they were first introduced into the market back in the 80's, yet they now have better specs than older vehicles with higher ratings. I'm adding a bigger tranny cooler than the OEM to aid the drivetrain.

The first few times I take the camper out on the road, I won't have my family in the vehicle. We'll know more then.
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Re: St Aug Dealer

Like you I am all about Small Business and really wanted to buy from them but they would have been at least $4500 more on our Camper plus I had Jayco do a few little mods that they may have been reluctant to ask for. I worked with them on a potential deal on a Lance (prior to upgrading our TV) and another Jayco so knew what they would come down to. With that said they were very accommodating of me climbing all over their trailers and I liked dealing with them and as for Service feel they would be better being a smaller family owned company. If I need service I will see about taking mine to them.

Re: Orlando RV

If you want a name of a good Salesmen to work with there for delivery etc PM me and I will send you one.

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What year is your Ody?

Nice on the Air Lift 1000's, for towing that makes more sense. I just installed Air Lift 5000's in my F250 this past weekend.

How did you get the Coil Springs out to install the Bags?

As others have stated you are pushing it towing with the Ody but the camper you are getting is fairly light but you are doing the right research and getting the right equipment to give it a shot. Sounds like you will make the right decision in the long run.

I once saw a Sienna towing an X19H which is the Hybrid we had and I would not have towed it with anything less than my Expedition EL or an F150.

Re: Campers we had/have...

Had a '12 X19H Hybrid for 3 yrs, fun trailer and will miss the Tents. Like you this was our starter trailer to see how we liked it and the rest is history.

We sold the X19 in June of last year and ordered a '16 28BHBE in November, not looking forward to Towing it coming from a small Hybrid but long story short had to get a new TV so moved up to a 3/4 Ton and moved up to the 28BHBE, will enjoy the space and slide. We pick it up on 3/19.
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Like you I am all about Small Business and really wanted to buy from them but they would have been at least $4500 more on our Camper plus I had Jayco do a few little mods that they may have been reluctant to ask for. I worked with them on a potential deal on a Lance (prior to upgrading our TV) and another Jayco so knew what they would come down to. With that said they were very accommodating of me climbing all over their trailers and I liked dealing with them and as for Service feel they would be better being a smaller family owned company. If I need service I will see about taking mine to them.
I get the sense they will be a good place to service my camper, I sure hope so. As a banker by profession, I don't know why a dealer would treat a customer with worse service because they bought their model elsewhere. I can understand the disappointment of a lost sale, but the potential revenue from repeat service and building loyalty will be worth it on the next time that client shops. For example, to me right now $2,000 difference wasn't worth it, but maybe on my next trailer after having been a customer of theirs, it is.

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If you want a name of a good Salesmen to work with there for delivery etc PM me and I will send you one.
I'm using one of their phone reps for my order and I already placed it back in mid February. So I think the only Orlando person I'll deal with is their finance person?

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What year is your Ody?

Nice on the Air Lift 1000's, for towing that makes more sense. I just installed Air Lift 5000's in my F250 this past weekend.

How did you get the Coil Springs out to install the Bags?

As others have stated you are pushing it towing with the Ody but the camper you are getting is fairly light but you are doing the right research and getting the right equipment to give it a shot. Sounds like you will make the right decision in the long run.

I once saw a Sienna towing an X19H which is the Hybrid we had and I would not have towed it with anything less than my Expedition EL or an F150.
My Odyssey is a 2012 with 46,000 miles.

Yeah, this is the most camper I would tow with it. We were looking at a 16XRB first (around 2800 lbs) and when my wife saw the 3rd bed, we splurged for it for the long term. I don't think this is going to kill the van or us, but I am taking every precaution possible. We haven't owned an RV yet so to splurge on a hybrid (with all the goodies that have to go along with it) and swap out our family car in the same year, not fiscally responsible with our budget. But it is realistic to take her out on trips for the rest of this year a little more next year and assess our arrangement then.

If I feel the van endangers us, I will be the first to go car shopping. Btw, I like the look of the Explorers. How do you like it with the Eco Boost? 9,200 towing capacity is more than we need. My wife really likes the new Escalade and I also like the Denali for a slightly cheaper alternative. In our ideal world, the van gets us through our 9 month old being rear-facing (the van's sliding doors are a real convenience) and then we can maybe shop for a gently used SUV.

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Re: Campers we had/have...

Had a '12 X19H Hybrid for 3 yrs, fun trailer and will miss the Tents. Like you this was our starter trailer to see how we liked it and the rest is history.

We sold the X19 in June of last year and ordered a '16 28BHBE in November, not looking forward to Towing it coming from a small Hybrid but long story short had to get a new TV so moved up to a 3/4 Ton and moved up to the 28BHBE, will enjoy the space and slide. We pick it up on 3/19.
That's awesome! Congrats on the upgrade to both TT and TW.
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