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Old 12-26-2018, 03:04 PM   #1
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Campground Usage Study Suggests National Park Service Alter Fee Structure

National park campgrounds could be managed more profitably, according to a nonprofit research organization, which suggests the National Park Service raise cancellation fees and possibly consider a surge pricing system during the busy seasons.

The report by Resources for the Future says the Park Service in general doesn't have clear information on who is using the parks, how long they stay, "and other information that would help in devising solutions to park overcrowding."
In looking at campground usage in the parks, the authors looked at 1.5 million campsite reservations made through Recreation.gov, the main portal for reserving campsites in the National Park System and other federal landscapes. That analysis came to the same conclusion most park visitors have: "Many of the parks near centers of population are filled to capacity on weekends in the spring and fall shoulder seasons. Thus, our analysis supports the general understanding that national parks are filled to the brim."
There also is a clear seasonal effect: on average, 20 to 40 percent of campsites are being used in the winter months, 40 to 60 percent during spring and fall, and 60 to 80 percent during the summer.

While the study found that most people who use park campgrounds make their reservations as far in advance as possible -- typically six months -- there are quite a few cancellations when the reserved dates approach.
"One relatively simple way for the Park Service to generate more money for the parks may be to change this practice," the authors said.
But the authors also found that one size does not fit all, in terms of trying to figure out how best to run the campgrounds.

"Although all of the campgrounds are at or near peak capacity during some months of the year, the patterns vary across the parks. Zion’s campgrounds are at or near peak capacity for nearly seven months of the year and virtually every day of the week," they said. "Yosemite is also near 100 percent utilization but for fewer months, and the months vary slightly across the three years shown in the graph—a phenomenon likely driven by differences in weather across the three years.

"Assateague (Island National Seashore) shows two interesting patterns: first, virtually all of the campsites are booked every day of the summer, and second, though virtually all are booked on the weekends in the spring and fall, weekday usage is significantly lower."

Because of these differences, creating week-day camping incentives for a park such as Great Smoky Mountains, where weekends are busiest, wouldn't necessary work at Zion, where demand is pretty much constant every day of the week, they said.

Nevertheless, the authors said the Park Service needs to take a closer look at campground fees, when campgrounds are busiest, when they are empty, and make some changes.

"This result suggests to us that experimentation with changes in fee structure—more variation in fees across parks and by season and day of the week—is worthwhile. It will be important to understand how fees affect demand," they wrote. "Would campers substitute across parks, go to other sites such as national forests, or choose the same park but visit at a less busy, less costly time?

"Only experimentation with fee changes and data gathering before and after such changes will provide answers."

Are we in for some changes at the Park Service?????

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Old 12-26-2018, 03:55 PM   #2
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I think one area not discussed is if they are always full, they need to add more spots. That will generate more income and also allow more access to the public. Isn’t that what the parks are suppose to do, create public access to spectacular areas of the country. Having to make reservations up to a year in advance doesn’t always works for everyone. Covering operating cost is certainly important, but on our trips, we skip some parks completely due to no available camping.
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I don’t like the idea of the parks running as a business and cashing in on higher rates during times of higher demand, I do agree that an escalating cancellation fee should apply if within a certain proximity to the reservation.

National Parks are already funded by tax dollars, simply recovering some of the costs is expected, profits should not be considered.
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In many places they can't increase the number of sites and I wouldn't want to see NP's turned into giant parking lots. I was reading that Utah's ad campaign has got so many to visit the 5 that at Zion you now have to park in town as it crazy busy.

Problem comes from too many people in too many RV's with a finite number of places to take them. Even boondocking places are getting busy. Then you add in the people that figure that they can leave whatever they like behind and someone will clean it up and it just changes the whole enjoyment of camping.
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In many places they can't increase the number of sites and I wouldn't want to see NP's turned into giant parking lots. I was reading that Utah's ad campaign has got so many to visit the 5 that at Zion you now have to park in town as it crazy busy.

Problem comes from too many people in too many RV's with a finite number of places to take them. Even boondocking places are getting busy. Then you add in the people that figure that they can leave whatever they like behind and someone will clean it up and it just changes the whole enjoyment of camping.
As I look at our states National Parks, they all have the same issues, they are extremely popular and they get more visitors than they had originally planned for. That is a good thing too, as they have to manage the onslaught of those visitors by limiting the amenities. Take Zion for example, there is no RV camping in the core areas of the NP. You have to drive an auto to the park and are then encouraged to use the park transportation (Not your own vehicle) or the traffic would come to a standstill. No RV's are permitted inside the main part of the park because there is no parking available for them.

Park visitors end up taking up lodging outside the parks, or the campgrounds are at/near the visitors center where there is available land to create campgrounds, but again... the demand greatly exceeds the supply - even all of the RV Parks in Springdale (at the entrance) are booked up years ahead and the farther down Hwy-9 you go you might find a place all the way to Hurricane.

Same basic principles apply to Bryce Canyon, but they do have more camping within the park than the other four. Arches has just a handful of small campsites that are first come only - the chances of getting one means you have to drive in each day and wait to see if anyone is leaving (and be first in line for their spot) while not knowing if you can even fit in that spot. (many are car/tent only, some RV spaces are 25')

Outside of Arches and Canyonlands you can find lots of RV camping, dispersed boondocking as well as the traditional RV Resorts and all in-between. Most visitors opt for one of the many of these parks or motels, but they do get filled up on the weekends and holidays are near impossible to find a space (Easter Weekend). Again - demand exceeds supply.

Yes we spend a lot of Easter weekends in Moab, have our favorite spots we boondock in with a bunch of friends who come for EJS, but we are outside of town away from the crowds and chaos and traffic.
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National park campgrounds could be managed more profitably, according to a nonprofit research organization, which suggests the National Park Service raise cancellation fees and possibly consider a surge pricing system during the busy seasons.

The report by Resources for the Future says the Park Service in general doesn't have clear information on who is using the parks, how long they stay, "and other information that would help in devising solutions to park overcrowding."
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Another great example of how government studies a problem, writes a report, and then makes what ever changes they had in mind before the study. In the end very little will change and the CG's will still be full and it will be difficult to get a reservation during any popular season without playing the "early" game. Government is like a giant ship. Thinking about a turn and making that turn are not the same thing and neither happen very fast.
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The irony is that no matter how much they might want to raise the fee for a campsite that is not available during the peak periods (occupied by someone who got there first, or reserved before them) is irrelevant - Private companies have learned that they can fill in the gap that the National Parks can't. Private enterprise figures out that they can build an RV Park outside the gates of the overcrowded National Park and offer what the National Park has really no intentions to.
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At Ft Pickens, part of the gulf shores Natl seashore, campsites are generally short since the facility is decades old. Bathrooms and camp roads have been upgraded recently, but most current size rv's barely fit on many sites and leave no room to park your TV. Adding to that they have a strict policy of no tires off the pavement and require you to move the tv to an offsite parking area. Again the problem is that there are only a few offsite parking areas and they are city blocks from the sites. Ask the rangers and park managers and they say this is dictated by environmental concerns of a delicate barrier island. So they have created a non functional CG and have no plans on fixing it.

What's my point?? Federal properties are managed by government employess who are lead by wildlife biologigist and environmental scientist who in many cases see humans as the invasive species and refuse to address the issues that minimize human use of the properties. Things are not going to get better, only worse at many of our public properties.
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