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Old 05-18-2015, 01:13 PM   #11
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Let me preface my post with I didnít serve. I do vote and I donít plan to run for political office. I appreciate the tact this soldier used in quieting the crowd. Truly a professional who immediately commanded the attention and respect from the crowd as can be heard with the immediate silence.

There are some woefully clueless people in America today. A lot of that is the entitled attitude imparted by how they are raised. My wife and I aren't raising entitled kids. Opportunities may come easier for them because what I have accomplished, as could be same for many of our kids, but mine are NOT guaranteed anything and will reap what they sow.

Compulsory service sounds like a good idea, that is until I think about my kids being forced to serve.

We live is a military town, my wife teaches school on the military base, we have a much better than average understanding of military life. We see firsthand daily what a sacrifice families make when parents serve and respect them for it immensely. However I don't think a sacrifice that like that should be forced.

I was born as the Vietnam War was ending, and many of you likely have a much better perspective and understanding of that time in our history since you live it. However itís my opinion a lot of the blow back in America was due to the draft and forced service. Although we still see protests, which is one of freedoms that makes America great, I don't see the blatant disrespect for soldiers today as I understood existed in the sixties and early seventies. I am not aware of people spitting on soldiers when they return from deployment. Chanting baby killer. In fact in my town they are celebrated as heroes up return.

In my opinion this is because we currently have an all-volunteer military. Folks want to be there. They accept the risk and sacrifice. Some even pay the ultimate price which is always sad and regretful -- but again they volunteered.

Maybe I a wrong, and need to do a bit more research of our history -- but isnít what made the "Greatest Generation" the greatest the fact that they flocked to service because they believed in the cause. That would never have happened if folks didn't want to serve. The sacrifices made at home are because collectively the county believed in the cause. After 9/11 we had a very similar out pouring of patriotism Ė why, folks believed in the cause. Itís hard for Americanís, or anyone else, to support something they donít believe it.

Now I agree the government has many issues. I don't know the percentages, but the number of Politicians who served is significant. Itís my opinion that the issues we have today generally revolve around the Governments attempt to redistribute resources. This exacerbates the ďentitlement attitudeĒ the preservers in America today.

Sorry for the rant, and to be clear, I would support the notion that to be the Commander in Chief there should be some requirement of prior military experience. Right now all it takes is to be 35, born in America and have access to lots of money.
As one who has served I completely agree with you. What makes our military so great is because thouse who serve want to serve.
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Old 05-22-2015, 07:10 PM   #12
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First off I did serve. USAF. I took my son there a few years ago so maybe he could see and learn something. However that day he was very much being a 12 year old rebellious teenager. I have never been so mad in my life for the way he acted. I ended up dragging him out of the changing of the guard Ceremony. Hopefully that night I got through his thick skull. After some serious tongue lashing and a close brush with my belt (I didn't as I was afraid I'd really hurt him) I sat him down and told him in detail about his grandfather's and great grandfathers. He had no idea his crazy and funny granddaddy Joe used to jump out of airplanes. My dad used to operate ICBM'S and served on the Czech border facing Red Army soldiers everyday And one of his great grandfather's liberated Paris and crossed the Rhine. He has No memory of it but we are a military family. Since then he has done several class projects on his family's service back to WWI. So in a way the day was successful. He can't serve due to medical conditions but now as a 17 year old he can appreciate the service and sacrifice.
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Let me preface my post with I didnít serve. I do vote and I donít plan to run for political office. I appreciate the tact this soldier used in quieting the crowd. Truly a professional who immediately commanded the attention and respect from the crowd as can be heard with the immediate silence.

There are some woefully clueless people in America today. A lot of that is the entitled attitude imparted by how they are raised. My wife and I aren't raising entitled kids. Opportunities may come easier for them because what I have accomplished, as could be same for many of our kids, but mine are NOT guaranteed anything and will reap what they sow.

Compulsory service sounds like a good idea, that is until I think about my kids being forced to serve.

We live is a military town, my wife teaches school on the military base, we have a much better than average understanding of military life. We see firsthand daily what a sacrifice families make when parents serve and respect them for it immensely. However I don't think a sacrifice that like that should be forced.

I was born as the Vietnam War was ending, and many of you likely have a much better perspective and understanding of that time in our history since you live it. However itís my opinion a lot of the blow back in America was due to the draft and forced service. Although we still see protests, which is one of freedoms that makes America great, I don't see the blatant disrespect for soldiers today as I understood existed in the sixties and early seventies. I am not aware of people spitting on soldiers when they return from deployment. Chanting baby killer. In fact in my town they are celebrated as heroes up return.

In my opinion this is because we currently have an all-volunteer military. Folks want to be there. They accept the risk and sacrifice. Some even pay the ultimate price which is always sad and regretful -- but again they volunteered.

Maybe I a wrong, and need to do a bit more research of our history -- but isnít what made the "Greatest Generation" the greatest the fact that they flocked to service because they believed in the cause. That would never have happened if folks didn't want to serve. The sacrifices made at home are because collectively the county believed in the cause. After 9/11 we had a very similar out pouring of patriotism Ė why, folks believed in the cause. Itís hard for Americanís, or anyone else, to support something they donít believe it.

Now I agree the government has many issues. I don't know the percentages, but the number of Politicians who served is significant. Itís my opinion that the issues we have today generally revolve around the Governments attempt to redistribute resources. This exacerbates the ďentitlement attitudeĒ the preservers in America today.

Sorry for the rant, and to be clear, I would support the notion that to be the Commander in Chief there should be some requirement of prior military experience. Right now all it takes is to be 35, born in America and have access to lots of money.
I agree. Compulsory service is not good. We have a strong well led we'll trained and motivated military. That motivation is key in any military action. Regardless of why every soldier wants to be there. Nobody is pulling time and just getting through it. I do feel some people can benefit from either military or community service but I also feel strongly an unmotivated forced drafted would degrade our capabilities.
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Spoon I feel that all politicians should be required to first serve a minimum of 4 years in the military before being allowed to run..
Wholeheartedly agree! If they really want to "serve" our country they need to prove it.
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I served in the USCG for four years. The diverse missions of that service attracted me. I agree that our military branches should be all volunteer.

I have always felt there should be two years of compulsory service to the country between the ages of 18 and 25. It need not be military service - the individual could choose.

This would cost a lot. I would gladly pay the increase in taxes. In my opinion, the benefit to the individuals and the country would be invaluable.
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And if politicians have children, if they send our country off to war, their kids should have to go also if they are of age!
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