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Old 07-10-2018, 10:40 AM   #1
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2018 Seismic 4113

We are in love with this unit after looking at Raptors, Fuzions, Talons, and Cyclones. It has everything we want. I have done a search on here for the 4113 and just wanted to see everyone's current thoughts on it. Holding up well? After you got through that first batch of problems has it been doing ok? This will be our 3rd camper and so far we have had good luck with only minor problems on what we have owned. Thank you!
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:14 AM   #2
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We are in love with this unit after looking at Raptors, Fuzions, Talons, and Cyclones. It has everything we want. I have done a search on here for the 4113 and just wanted to see everyone's current thoughts on it. Holding up well? After you got through that first batch of problems has it been doing ok? This will be our 3rd camper and so far we have had good luck with only minor problems on what we have owned. Thank you!
We have 3 year old Seismic 4212, Since you have looked at all the major toyhauler brands something should be a glaring difference. The talon and seismic are Lippert Ground Control 3.0 leveling system. It has been pure hell for most everybody . Jayco is the only manufacturer to use electric leveling, notice everyone else uses hydraulics.
I suggest you research this site for leveling pin failures, out of stroke errors and how many times the leveling system was repaired under warranty.
Also review the slide issues, ours actually fell out in the dealer shop. The motors were replaced with 500:1 vs the 300:1.
We now have cracking fiberglass at bedroom slide, the leveling system front legs have now failed for the 4 th time and lots of other issues.

Good Luck to you.
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:25 AM   #3
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Members speak of front pin failures, causing the front end to collapse. That's freaky dangerous!
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Old 07-10-2018, 11:34 AM   #4
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Members speak of front pin failures, causing the front end to collapse. That's freaky dangerous!
Seismic are way to heavy for this electric leveling system. Is it any wonder why all the manufacturers but Jayco use hydraulics vs this POS Lippert system?
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Old 07-10-2018, 06:06 PM   #5
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Open Range still uses electric leveling too. However they are not quite this heavy. Most the hydraulics are also lippert and they have their own problems too. Lippert in general just sucks. Unfortunately their products are used to make so much of every rig.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:53 AM   #6
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4212 and my slideout fell out at a 45* angle while setting up at a race.... the leveling system is horrible it only stabilizes basically you have to level it on blocks first. The first summer was a fight to get my generator to stay running, turned out to be a loose main bus bar which was arcing all summer long and by the time the dealer was able to look at it and fix it it was 8 months later and everything inside was melted and burned up. The following year was the slideout falling out, had to push that in with a skid steer. This year all the little seals in the water system leak... plus still waiting to get things buttoned up from the slideout damage. Also lost the rear axle from a broken leaf spring hanger. 5.25Ē leaf spring hangers welded onto a piece of square tubing smaller than the with of the hanger on a tri axle weighing 20k lbs isnít the best design. Now looking for a fix so that doesnít happen again. Probably going to have to weld gussets on all the hangers to box them in up top better. This trailer is awesome looking but just absolutely junk. Every time we go somewhere with it, it breaks. Not a happy camper with my choice. Wishing a went with a fusion or Iím starting to look into luxe campers.
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We've got a 4114 since labor day last year. Roughly 7500 miles on it. We've had a few small warranty issues but no major problems as of yet. I've found the leveler to be no worse than on our previous 5th wheel. If it's over 1.5 degrees out side to side, throw a 2x12 under the wheels (typically under 2 of 3 is enough). The key it's to extend the jack legs with the pins after that. I am using extra pins in the front jacks to be safe though I believe pins breaking starts when they aren't fully engaged once or twice. The problem is, you don't know how many times they weren't engaged by the dealer before you bought it or when it is in for Warranty work. As with any camper, original build quality is important, and after that it's your relationship that you're willing to build with your partner dealer.
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Old 07-19-2018, 09:23 PM   #8
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We bought a 2018 4113 in April, have used it 5 times now and already have a love/hate relationship with this unit. This is our fifth 5th wheel and I've come to realize they are all built with absolutely no thought of quality craftmanship. Is it lost in America now??? That said, I do love the features of this rig, but there were more stupid things to fix than I've ever seen. I've fixed them all myself because 1. I can, 2. I don't want to leave the RV in the shop all summer long waiting for warranty approvals etc. here's a few things I've fixed so far:
1. One of the electric recliners in the couch didn't work. Turned out to be the AC outlet was not completely wired, Hot wire was attached but Neutral wasn't
2. Both backflow preventers in the blank tank flush were installed backwards
3. Battery interconnect cables were very loose, never tightened
4. Fuel level switch for gen fuel and Toy fuel was wired backwards

5. Gray Tank and Black tank valve handles were labeled backwards (This one really pissed me off)
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I have had 3 fifth wheels and the valve pulls were not clear on any of them.

It only takes once to figure it out and mark them as you found out! Same inside on the monitor panel. #1 and #2 don't mean much when you have 2 grey tanks.

Same with light switches. A good label maker is a great asset.
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I have had 3 fifth wheels and the valve pulls were not clear on any of them.

It only takes once to figure it out and mark them as you found out! Same inside on the monitor panel. #1 and #2 don't mean much when you have 2 grey tanks.

Same with light switches. A good label maker is a great asset.
Thatís the only thing they did right on our unit.
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