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Old 10-01-2013, 09:48 PM   #1
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Ford Flex and Jayco 165

Hello everybody.

New to Jayco community with some questions.

Got 2010 EcoBoost Flex with tow Package.( Class III 9622/4500/450 )

I want to buy 2011 Jayco Sport Series 165 to travel with Wife and 5yrs daughter.
Some Specs:
Base Weight (lbs / kg): 2835 / 1286
Carrying Capacity (lbs / kg): 665 / 301.6
Hitch Weight (lbs / kg): 440 / 199.6
Number Of Axles: 1

I know tongue for Flex is rated 450lbs and Jayco got 440lbs which seem too tight.

Do I have any options here(WD,sway bars?) or just look for something lighter like Swift SLX series.

thanks for any input Guys.
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Old 10-01-2013, 11:22 PM   #2
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I was told by my local Ford dealer that the Flex had a frontal area limit of 35 sq ft with the towing package (28 without) and I couldn't tow a travel trailer with one. I didn't confirm it with Ford but you might want to check to be sure you don't void a warranty.
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Old 10-02-2013, 06:58 AM   #3
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I would look into what Paulx213 was told....but from the numbers, MHO is that you have a decent match. I'm not sure why the tongue weight is listed so high for the 165. If you loaded the 165 to capacity (3,500#) ....you should still be able to manage a respectable 13% TT tongue weight and not exceed your TV's max (hitch weight) of 450# (provided you load the TT properly).

Backing up to the smaller SWIFT line wont buy you much breathing room (the series loads up to 3,000 - 3,500#)...however, that series is shorter in height and "frontal area"

What kind of travelling and camping do you plan to do?
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Re: Ford Flex and Jayco 165

In my experience the jayco tongue numbers are way short of real life. On my 23b they say it's 450ish but after propane, batteries, and loading of storage it came in at over 640#. Go head to a dealer and weigh one before you buy for sure.
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I would look into what Paulx213 was told....but from the numbers, MHO is that you have a decent match. I'm not sure why the tongue weight is listed so high for the 165. If you loaded the 165 to capacity (3,500#) ....you should still be able to manage a respectable 13% TT tongue weight and not exceed your TV's max (hitch weight) of 450# (provided you load the TT properly).

Backing up to the smaller SWIFT line wont buy you much breathing room (the series loads up to 3,000 - 3,500#)...however, that series is shorter in height and "frontal area"

What kind of travelling and camping do you plan to do?
thanks for response.

Yep tongue weight on 165 is high compare to other campers with similar weight.Was looking at 154BH and 184BH too,but found sweet deal on 2011 m-165.

As for camping,mostly will be wisconsin and michigan state parks for start.
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In my experience the jayco tongue numbers are way short of real life. On my 23b they say it's 450ish but after propane, batteries, and loading of storage it came in at over 640#. Go head to a dealer and weigh one before you buy for sure.
Is it gonna help me if I will load most cargo behind axle to reduce tongue weight?

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Is it gonna help me if I will load most cargo behind axle to reduce tongue weight?

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In looking at the trailer I'm not sure how much stuff you could put behind the axle to offset the front storage compartment, propane tank, and battery. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I suggest checking it in real life before you sign for the trailer.
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In looking at the trailer I'm not sure how much stuff you could put behind the axle to offset the front storage compartment, propane tank, and battery. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I suggest checking it in real life before you sign for the trailer.
Its private party sale,thats why I ask you guys first

My main question is than, should I worry about flex 450lbs tongue vs wet 440lbs trailer ....is recommended WD hitch will resolve my problem if tongue will be around +/-600lbs loaded?
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Suggest you PM dougtoms01 - a moderator who has a 165 Sport and recently toured the SW US. I'm sure he was fully loaded and I know for fact he weighed / set-up his rig for safe travels....

Especially with smaller TT's -you can alter the tongue weight with loading techniques...with my 154BH, storage is behind the wheel... and still I load almost ALL our gear in the extreme rear tub / toilet when travelling. Even then - I can attach my carrying tray and empty 18G Tote (45#) to the rear bumper and STILL not dip under 10% (300#) tongue weight.....I have a tongue scale now to keep myself in check.

EDIT....I found the following thread (below) which shows dougtoms01 struggles with tongue weight and weigh-in on his 165 Sport earlier this year....looks like at 3,300# he had to carefully load to keep the tongue weight between 5-600#....sheesh....

https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...t=sport+scales
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EDIT....I found the following the following thread (below) which shows dougtoms01 struggles with tongue weight and weigh-in on his 165 Sport earlier this year....looks like at 3,300# he had to carefully load to keep the tongue weight between 5-600#....sheesh....

https://www.jaycoowners.com/showthrea...t=sport+scales
Great find Threebutchers and some great info in there!
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