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Old 04-17-2015, 04:43 PM   #11
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Ones perception of the salesman's use of the term 1/2 ton towable usually begins to change after the first trip or two doesn't it. In our case all the load shifting & planning led to a 2500 hd. The advertised tongue weight for the 213 is what one might call slightly optimistic to say the least.
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Ones perception of the salesman's use of the term 1/2 ton towable usually begins to change after the first trip or two doesn't it. In our case all the load shifting & planning led to a 2500 hd. The advertised tongue weight for the 213 is what one might call slightly optimistic to say the least.

Ha ha! Well we didn't go by any sales guy. We bought this truck brand new after buying the trailer. So we bought it to suit the trailer.

We don't have any worry on the truck's end at all. My worry is the bikes putting the tongue weight over 15% of the trailer weight. Isn't there some danger to being over 15%? Too light for trailer and you have swag, too heavy for trailer and...? I know you can exceed the rear GAWR but assuming you're not exceeding it, is it then okay to be over 15%?

Hard to lighten the tongue when there is nowhere to add weight to the rear due to the slide being tucked in.

I'm thinking water may be the way to go though if our tank is under the dinette. We'll also re-weigh on another scale when we pull it out of storage.
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Old 04-19-2015, 08:30 PM   #13
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I usually pack stuff in laundry baskets for moving things in/out of the house, and I've found that I can load four behind the axles. I guess it would also work with rubbermaid bins if they're the right size. Anyway, I put a light one under the dinette tabletop, and I slide three baskets sideways in between the couch and the dinette. It's not a lot of weight, but it's a decent way to shift some cargo weight back.
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Now you guys have me nervous! I put a deposit on a 2015 X213 today. E-trailer recommended the Reese RP66082 strait line hitch for my set up, but it only has a max 600 lbs tongue weight. Is that enough? Jayco says dry it's only 390 lbs What size hitches are you guys using? Also I plan to tow with my 2012 GMC Sierra 1500 4x4 is this too much trailer for my 1/2 ton?
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I don't know much about aftermarket hitches because all of ours have been factory tow packages, but I'd make sure you had a hitch that did more than 600 pounds. We towed this home with a vehicle with a 500 pound tongue limit and nothing in the trailer but the bedding we purchased for it at IKEA. We had to remove both propane tanks and the spare tire and put them under the slide to try and get more weight off the tongue and the tongue was still over 500 pounds. We had to leave the battery for emergency trailer brakes so couldn't remove it.

I'd get a hitch that takes higher tongue weight and also check out your tow specs in your manual and on the door of your vehicle. Post it here and folks can help you out to see if you're okay. Some half tons are fine, and some won't be.

The GVWR of the trailer is 5500# so you could potentially have a tongue weight of up to 825# plus 100+ pounds for your WDH (we went with the Andersen because it was about 60 pounds if I am remembering correctly). So I wouldn't want anything less than a tongue weight of 1000 pounds personally.
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I think you Mis understood my question. My truck also has a tow package. I'm purchasing a load distrubution hitch. And the hitch that etrailer sized out has a max tougue weight of 600 lbs. Jayco specs are 390 lbs dry. Why is yours so heavy? I have a smaller Casita TT now that is fiberglass. It has a heavy tougue for its size at 400 lbs plus and it never needed a load distribution hitch, I just used a sway bar.
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I think you Mis understood my question. My truck also has a tow package. I'm purchasing a load distrubution hitch. And the hitch that etrailer sized out has a max tougue weight of 600 lbs. Jayco specs are 390 lbs dry. Why is yours so heavy? I have a smaller Casita TT now that is fiberglass. It has a heavy tougue for its size at 400 lbs plus and it never needed a load distribution hitch, I just used a sway bar.
I realized that after you were talking about a weight distributing hitch. Sorry about that. But ya, 600 pounds is a no go for this trailer.

My tongue weight is that heavy, because that's what the tongue weight on these trailers seems to be. From what I can tell, 390 is dry. And I think they mean 100% dry. Meaning no propane (add 74 pounds), no battery (add 50 pounds), no spare tire (add 30 pounds for that?), tongue jack (add 10 pounds) and you're at 554. Then add some weight in front of the axles and it goes up from there.

While it's great the yellow stickers have a weight leaving the factory including all the accessories installed at the factory and full propane, it's unfortunate that they don't also list a tongue weight with all the accessories. If they say that's how they are doing it, they are full of crap. LOL You should have seen this tongue pull down our SUV's rear end. We initially guesstimated by the measurements they provide in the manual for the SUV (however many inches lowered is however many pounds of tongue weight) and I was like "uh, how the hell are we going to get this thing home?" We were way over 500 and had a 5 hour drive ahead of us. We started pulling propane and spare tire after that. And headed straight to a scale. Not the same scale that gave my weights above. A scale that is tuned and used by truckers daily.
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So what size weight distribution hitch are you useing?
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So what size weight distribution hitch are you useing?
We are using the Andersen hitch which is max 1400 pounds tongue weight, max 14,000 pound trailer weight. It only comes one way so they don't offer version with different tongue weight capacities. Which is more than our truck can take for tongue and trailer anyway. Our truck can tow 11,200 pounds and the hitch sticker says 1150 for tongue weight. Our payload is the limiting factor for us.

https://www.andersenhitches.com/Cata...ion-hitch.aspx
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I've used the same 1400 lb. tongue weight Reese equalizer hitch on both our old 2003 GM 1500 (with towing pkg.) and now our GM 2500hd. I found that the 213 could be adequately towed with the 1/2 ton if I was careful with loading the trailer and the truck. Just like SilverEscape , I was always coming up against payload, and I was always worried about my maxed out 1/2 ton blowing up in the hot mountain Towing conditions that we frequently encounter.
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