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Old 02-21-2018, 05:50 PM   #31
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My F150 says Max cargo/payload 1825. Our 2018 27.5RLTS spec's say it has a dry hitch weight of 1550 and an unloaded weight of 8045. Looks like I'm over by about 200 pounds on the payload, but I expect that with 300+ lbs of water behind the trailer wheels and a 40lb rear-bumper bike rack it gets pretty close to even. We also travel with most of our heaviest items (inside) towards the back of the trailer. YMMV.
If you have 1825 cargo capacity, you need to deduct passengers, your hitch, anything carried in the vehicle and the hitch weight. Best way to know how much your overweight is go to a Cat Scale and weigh it. I bet you much more over weight than you think. You have about 275 lbs after the stated tongue weight, which in reality will most likely be higher. 100 to 150 lbs for your hitch brings you down to 125 to 150 lbs. Not sure how many peeps you have but unless your a really skinny dude (which I'm not LOL ) your already over weight, and, if you carry anything in your truck your that also adds to your over weight. Also the listed tongue weight is typically empty trailer, anything you add inside clothes, food etc will continue to add to your tongue weight. Even propane.

I would take a trip to the scales and then determine if you feel safe or not. I have a 27 RLS TT and about the same cargo capacity as you and would not want to try to drag a 5er down the road.

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Old 02-21-2018, 07:47 PM   #32
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If you have 1825 cargo capacity, you need to deduct passengers, your hitch, anything carried in the vehicle and the hitch weight. Best way to know how much your overweight is go to a Cat Scale and weigh it. I bet you much more over weight than you think. You have about 275 lbs after the stated tongue weight, which in reality will most likely be higher. 100 to 150 lbs for your hitch brings you down to 125 to 150 lbs. Not sure how many peeps you have but unless your a really skinny dude (which I'm not LOL ) your already over weight, and, if you carry anything in your truck your that also adds to your over weight. Also the listed tongue weight is typically empty trailer, anything you add inside clothes, food etc will continue to add to your tongue weight. Even propane.

I would take a trip to the scales and then determine if you feel safe or not. I have a 27 RLS TT and about the same cargo capacity as you and would not want to try to drag a 5er down the road.

Good Luck...

^This, and also don't forget that payload rating is as equipped from the factory anything you add aftermarket like running boards, bed covers, any and all accessories deduct from that payload number. For instance if you added 100# of running boards then you lose 100# of payload.
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Old 02-21-2018, 08:05 PM   #33
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My F150 says Max cargo/payload 1825. Our 2018 27.5RLTS spec's say it has a dry hitch weight of 1550 and an unloaded weight of 8045. Looks like I'm over by about 200 pounds on the payload, but I expect that with 300+ lbs of water behind the trailer wheels and a 40lb rear-bumper bike rack it gets pretty close to even. We also travel with most of our heaviest items (inside) towards the back of the trailer. YMMV.
1550 is the dry hitch weight.

Add propane tanks (on the front) 80lbs
Add camping chairs, hoses, axe, blocks, etc. etc. in that front stroage compartment...adds weight.
Add sheets on your bed, add clothes in the closets, etc. etc.

My guess is your pin weight is closer to 2000lbs.

Add driver and passenger to the truck. You could easily be 400+ pounds over your payload.

The F150 handles the load well, but it's still not rated for it.
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Old 02-21-2018, 08:15 PM   #34
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I would take a trip to the scales and then determine if you feel safe or not. I have a 27 RLS TT and about the same cargo capacity as you and would not want to try to drag a 5er down the road.

Good Luck...
"A 5er" of similar weight and length as a TT will tow much better than the TT, so I don't understand your comment. I've driven our rig in strong crosswinds (West Texas), up and down mountains where the semi's were filling the right lane going 20mph up and down, on curvy 2-lane roads up and down hills, and I always feel safe. The cruise control is also very good while towing, and downshifts on downhills until the rpm's go above ~4k, and then applies braking as needed. I run the electric brake gain around 4.5 out of 10, and it's easy to adjust on the fly if more braking is needed. I've never needed to set it above 6. It's clear to me that Ford has done an excellent job of designing the F150 with max tow to do a great job towing.
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"A 5er" of similar weight and length as a TT will tow much better than the TT, so I don't understand your comment. I've driven our rig in strong crosswinds (West Texas), up and down mountains where the semi's were filling the right lane going 20mph up and down, on curvy 2-lane roads up and down hills, and I always feel safe. The cruise control is also very good while towing, and downshifts on downhills until the rpm's go above ~4k, and then applies braking as needed. I run the electric brake gain around 4.5 out of 10, and it's easy to adjust on the fly if more braking is needed. I've never needed to set it above 6. It's clear to me that Ford has done an excellent job of designing the F150 with max tow to do a great job towing.
Its not a matter of dragging it down the road. It's a matter the vehicle may not be designed for the weight of a 5er. A TT tongue weigh will be half of a 5er. Only way to know if your within "limits" the mfg sets is to weigh it. There are threads on how to weigh to get all the results you need. Over weight can cause issues down the road a short piece with undue stress on components. From drive train, to axles, brakes etc. Do the math and only then can you see exactly where your at, and if it's within your scope of comfort. It's the 1% of towing that is the issue, when that sudden stop or sudden maneuver is needed to avoid something that is the issue.

Good Luck and let us know if you go to the Cat Scale. Be informative for everyone else.
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My experience with an F150 and an Eagle HT

I bought a Jayco Eagle HT 27.5 RKDS after I had purchased a 2015 F150 and before I fully understood pin weight. The F150 will tow it, no problem. I added supersprings to relieve any sag in the rear end and the truck sat prettty level. But I did the math on the payload and did not feel comfortable towing so close to the payload limits of the truck. We ended up buying a 96 F250 7.3 to tow the camper.
I was going to pair down to a single truck after I had paid down the F150 enough to break even on a trade. The Max Payload package is available for the F150 (3,000lbs), and the dealers are quick to confuse it with the Max Tow package. In the end I just replaced the F150 with a 2014 F250 Lariat 6.7. So now I can sell the old 7.3 and make some room in my driveway. So, if you find one with the MAX PAYLOAD package, you would be okay. They come only with 18" wheels and it might be hard finding one with all the tow package stuff. Don't trust the salepeople who only spout about the max tow rating. They don't know what they are talking about.

Good Luck! My wife and I have been very pleased otherwise with our Jayco Eagle HT.
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I know the way I load things up, I've got 500 lbs of humans plus 350+ lbs of gear in the truck before I ever hitch up the trailer.

I'm a huge fan of modern half-tons as tow vehicles, but it's incredibly easy to go over the rated payload.
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