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Old 07-13-2016, 10:29 AM   #11
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Yeah they are not offered because the public does not want them and/or know how to drive them.

I could not agree with you more!


My first truck was a 3 on the tree F100. How many drivers today could even get that truck to move......

Probably none. I Borrowed one of those to help a friend move. Never got the hang of three-on-the-tree. 2nd and R kept changing places.



As for myself I would now never go back to manual. If the truck is capable the automatic will do the job well.
That was SWMBO's choice in '09. Her daily driver when we met was a 5spd 4Runner.
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Old 07-13-2016, 10:45 AM   #12
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Yeah they are not offered because the public does not want them and/or know how to drive them. My first truck was a 3 on the tree F100. How many drivers today could even get that truck to move......As for myself I would now never go back to manual. If the truck is capable the automatic will do the job well.
That's a walk down memory lane. First pickup I drove was an old Fargo with 3 on the tree. The transmission was easy, but the clutch spring was so heavy you had to have the calves and thighs of a sumo wrestler (well left side anyway).

We still have a stick in our econobox runabout (Versa), but I have become partial to a slushbox in my larger vehicles that do all the long distance travelling. I do have manual shift mode that I often use while towing, especially for engine braking on down grades. My tow/haul mode seems pretty good at dropping and holding a lower gear while climbing.

I agree with Mike on most points about the tech, but I do like the driver information centre. Knowing the actual pressure in my tires (for some reason I have an affinity for picking up nails while driving), how many miles I can travel at my current consumption before filling up, and what my average consumption is are all things I check regularly while driving the longer hauls.
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Old 07-13-2016, 11:05 AM   #13
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I have never owned an automatic vehicle until my 15 F-350. My 04 F-350 had a 5 speed manual in it. I was reasonably happy towing with that.

My 15 with the Automatic makes me very happy. I realize that eveyone has their brand loyalty and why the other makes are better, but I think Ford did a darn good job putting the newer model Super Duty's together. I have the 6.7L diesel and the 6 Speed automatic (I don't think they even offer a manual anymore) and it tows like a dream. The tow haul feature eliminates hunting. If it has to downshift, it stays there until you break the grade. I've never once had it hunt in everything from flat prairie land roads to driving through the rockies on a 2 lane highway. The exhaust break is great too. Push that little button and at any tap of the brakes, it comes on and provides quite a bit of slowing power.

Mine does have a manual transmission mode where you can select what gear it runs in, but other than playing with it, I have never felt the need or desire to use it.

What I have found that annoys me, is that if I use cruise control, the tranny will allow the truck to slow over 5 mph before a downshift (trying to prevent hunting), lose momentum, then downshift. It pours on the coal to get back to cruise speed, which is usually topping the hill and results in speed 5 mph above cruise set which will trigger costing to slow down. It is really a roller coaster ride. What I started doing on this past trip, when I saw a hill that I expected would create a downshift was to drop a gear (lock out 6th gear) as I got into the max grade and then it would hold speed nice and smooth all the way up the hill. Then halfway up the hill, I'd unlock 6th gear and then it wouldn't shift until I was on the backside of the hill. Made things much smoother. I guess the trucks can't see the hill ahead of them and anticipate quite yet. I was very happy with the results when driving like this.

I understand where you are coming from in liking manuals, but I'd suggest giving it a try. You may be pleasantly surprised.
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:12 PM   #14
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Air Bags - Saves lives every day. Wouldn't be needed if folks used the seat belts properly.
ABS - The difference between winding up in the ditch or spinning out and winding up in the ditch. SLOW DOWN when conditions call for it!

I'll have to disagree with you here. Antilock brakes save many more lives than airbags do. The best way to not get injured in a collision is to not have a collision in the first place. Antilock brakes prevent multitudes of collisions every day.

Antilock brakes are the single greatest safety innovation in the past century of automobiles.
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Old 07-13-2016, 12:45 PM   #15
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That was SWMBO's choice in '09. Her daily driver when we met was a 5spd 4Runner.
Maybe you should rant and rave at the SWMBO for picking a TV that is borderline on power Rather than rant and rave about "The hunting when going uphill or in heavy traffic drives me nuts!" Just my opinion but when a Auto Trans does all that hunting it tells me that the TV is to small for the load or the Load is to big for the TV. Even if its in specs it is too close to max payload of the TV.

Opps on second thought maybe you should rant and rave at yourself for getting the 2015 TT knowing it was very close to the max limit of the SWMBO's TV
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''Probably none. I Borrowed one of those to help a friend move. Never got the hang of three-on-the-tree. 2nd and R kept changing places.''

Like many things its actually very easy once you get the hang of it. Its still an "H' pattern like on the floor just sideways and 3 speed instead of 4, but if you go back aways you can find 3 speeds on the floor were once offered. The shifter will slide easily into second on the upswing, but you have to pull up and in to get reverse.
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I'm in the "would never own a manual again" camp. I get all Mike's reasoning, but I just don't have any need for it. In all the vehicles I've ever driven, I've never had even one problem with an automatic transmission (knocking on wood). Plenty of problems with the 5-spd in my Wrangler though; good thing it was manual because I worked on that darn thing CONSTANTLY. I also have no NEED for a manual trans. I don't operate my vehicles as "working" vehicles, they are transportation. No plowing, no crawling, no racing, etc.

As for the "driving experience"? I'm totally over that. As I've gotten older, I depend on my vehicles to get me and my family from A to B safely and in relative comfort. I would much rather enjoy the drive than enjoy the driving.

And as for all the "tech"? I love it. I love the info center in my dash that can tell me virtually anything I want to know about my vehicle with the touch of a button. I love hands-free phone. I love auto up/down window switches. I love automatic door locks, unlocking not as much (I like to survey the environment before the doors unlock for safety reasons). I love automatic headlights. I agree that ABS is one of the most significant advancements in automotive technology (I've seen early test videos, and they could sell the tech to ANYONE). Traction control and air bags have saved enough lives that I have a VERY healthy respect for them.

All that being said, if I were to have a "toy", like a V-8 sports car or a serious dedicated off-road vehicle, or some kind of race car, then I like to "row my own". But for every day driving, I'll take an auto, and all the cupholders I can get!!

FWIW, I've driven the old trucks with "3 on the tree" as well. Manual clutch, manual steering, no power anything. I will say it was a bit nostalgic, and interesting, but I would throw it off a cliff if it were my "daily driver"! Luckily, I'm one of the few my age and a bit younger that knows how to operate a manual transmission. I think everyone should know how to do that. Unfortunately, I believe by the time my son (2 yrs old now) is old enough to drive, I won't be able to find one to teach him with...

For the most part, auto tech has advanced and made driving better; safer, more efficient, easier... And I accept most (if not all) of it readily once the tech has been proven.
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Maybe you should rant and rave at the SWMBO for picking a TV that is borderline on power Rather than rant and rave about "The hunting when going uphill or in heavy traffic drives me nuts!" Just my opinion but when a Auto Trans does all that hunting it tells me that the TV is to small for the load or the Load is to big for the TV. Even if its in specs it is too close to max payload of the TV.

Opps on second thought maybe you should rant and rave at yourself for getting the 2015 TT knowing it was very close to the max limit of the SWMBO's TV
Her 'undersized' truck is clearly my fault and I am trying to remedy that situation by buying a new 1/2 ton.

I still haven't read anything that says an automatic transmission is superior to a manual.

I've read several entries in this thread that the truck makers have been tweaking the software so that an automatic will function well enough so it is not annoying when towing.

Anything from anybody? So I can get comfortable with the idea of spending $60K on a new truck; and not worry about hating it a year later?
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Anything from anybody? So I can get comfortable with the idea of spending $60K on a new truck; and not worry about hating it a year later?
How about this? I love mine. With a manual shift option, I can control it enough to not be "annoying" while towing. But truthfully, I don't have to.

In my GMC 1500, I had the same control. Not like a manual, but I could set the trans not to shift above a certain gear. 4th (6-spd trans) was where it liked to be when it was working hard, and it hardly ever shifted when I had it locked in 4th.
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Her 'undersized' truck is clearly my fault and I am trying to remedy that situation by buying a new 1/2 ton.

I still haven't read anything that says an automatic transmission is superior to a manual.

I've read several entries in this thread that the truck makers have been tweaking the software so that an automatic will function well enough so it is not annoying when towing.

Anything from anybody? So I can get comfortable with the idea of spending $60K on a new truck; and not worry about hating it a year later?
I can`t say about the newer trannies but with mine I just put her in tow haul and go, no hunting but its flat land hear. It will shift into OD in good conditions. If I do not want OD I just use 3rd gear. As for getting comfortable spending 60K on a new truck, there`s no way that could happen for cheapskate Crabman even if the bed was lined with gold.
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