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01-14-2019, 11:18 PM
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No power outlets after wife used 2 heaters and microwave
We’re from paradise California and are living in a 06 designer jayco 5th wheel. And everything was working fine until the shift used 2 space heaters and then the microwave. And now all wall outlets don’t work. Oddly enough no circuit breakers were tripped and no fuses blown. I tried resetting the outlet with the breaker built in but no luck. Even replaced it and no luck. Took the panels out for the breakers and fuses and didn’t find any issues. One wire looked like it got a little hot but still looked fine. What else is going on ??
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01-14-2019, 11:51 PM
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Check all your wires in the box and make sure their all tight as they have a tendency to loosen up over time.
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01-14-2019, 11:52 PM
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Is your microwave on an inverter? Are all outlets dead or just a few? Have you physically reset all the breakers not just looked at them. Sometimes you have to fully turn them off. If you have an inverter for your microwave it is possible it tripped. Find the inverter and press the reset button. If all 110 outlets are out check to be sure your didn't trip the pedestal breaker. You might be running off batteries for your lights.
Good luck and please post what you find.
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01-15-2019, 05:41 AM
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Check all the GFI outlets to make sure thy are not tripped.
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01-15-2019, 07:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by albirk
Check all the GFI outlets to make sure thy are not tripped.
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01-15-2019, 08:03 AM
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Did the breaker at the pedastal trip?
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01-15-2019, 08:44 AM
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Turn all breakers, including the power post breaker, completely off and then back on again. Push the Test button on the GFIs and then the Reset button.
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01-15-2019, 09:02 AM
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Two 1000 watt heaters and a 1000 watt microwave will draw 25 amps of power. Most likely you have a tripped breaker.
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01-15-2019, 09:03 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutter2
We’re from paradise California and are living in a 06 designer jayco 5th wheel. And everything was working fine until the shift used 2 space heaters and then the microwave. And now all wall outlets don’t work. Oddly enough no circuit breakers were tripped and no fuses blown. I tried resetting the outlet with the breaker built in but no luck. Even replaced it and no luck. Took the panels out for the breakers and fuses and didn’t find any issues. One wire looked like it got a little hot but still looked fine. What else is going on ??
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Try resetting your GFI
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01-15-2019, 09:12 AM
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GFIs don't provide over current protection
Just so everyone is clear, GFI stand for Ground Fault Interruption. The only purpose of a GFI is to monitor the amount of current that is not returning to the fuse box via the neutral (white) wire in the circuit. It will not protect against over current conditions. That is the job of the circuit breaker or fuse. I'm thinking there is a breaker tripped somewhere.
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01-15-2019, 09:19 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyBound
Turn all breakers, including the power post breaker, completely off and then back on again.
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Did you try the above?
Breakers in my trailer (maybe all RVs) have to be PUSHED into the OFF position against spring tension until it 'cocks' to reset and then moved to the on position. Just moving a breaker from 'off' to 'on' doesn't reset it.
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01-15-2019, 09:20 AM
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^ Fair enough, but sometimes they trip randomly for seemingly unexplained reasons. It's such a simple and quick thing to check that it's worth his time to try it.
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01-15-2019, 09:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmanAZ
Did you try the above?
Breakers in my trailer (maybe all RVs) have to be PUSHED into the OFF position against spring tension until it 'cocks' to reset and then moved to the on position. Just moving a breaker from 'off' to 'on' doesn't reset it.
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Originally Posted by SkyBound
^ Fair enough, but sometimes they trip randomly for seemingly unexplained reasons. It's such a simple and quick thing to check that it's worth his time to try it.
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I totally agree and felt repeating your your suggestion was important and hoped for feedback from the OP on what he has tried.
In addition, I wanted the OP to know that a tripped RV breaker needs (may need?) a different approach than the post breaker or home breakers... at least MINE do.
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01-15-2019, 09:35 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Lightning
Just so everyone is clear, GFI stand for Ground Fault Interruption. The only purpose of a GFI is to monitor the amount of current that is not returning to the fuse box via the neutral (white) wire in the circuit. It will not protect against over current conditions. That is the job of the circuit breaker or fuse. I'm thinking there is a breaker tripped somewhere.
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True, but that doesn't mean you can't trip a GFI with over current and/or a myriad of other conditions unrelated to a ground fault.
If it were me I'd start at the source and work my way down to individual devices. Pedestal breaker then main breaker, branch breakers, GFI.
It's worth asking if you were on shore power when this happened as well.
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01-15-2019, 09:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by oldmanAZ
I totally agree and felt repeating your your suggestion was important and hoped for feedback from the OP on what he has tried.
In addition, I wanted the OP to know that a tripped RV breaker needs (may need?) a different approach than the post breaker or home breakers... at least MINE do.
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That was in response to Jonny's explanation of GFIs. You must have been typing your reply at the same time as I was and just snuck in there.
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01-15-2019, 11:26 AM
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[QUOTE=Jc85;719676]True, but that doesn't mean you can't trip a GFI with over current and/or a myriad of other conditions unrelated to a ground fault.
If it were me I'd start at the source and work my way down to individual devices. Pedestal breaker then main breaker, branch breakers, GFI.
Johnny Lighting IS correct! A GFCI has NOTHING to do with over current. GFCI's fall under very strict design and functionality purposes defined by the NFPA. Their sole function is for the protection of personnel. Excuse the expert in me I've been in the electrical industry for the last 35 years.
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01-15-2019, 11:34 AM
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There could be a breaker tripped in a distribution box that feeds your power pedestal. Walk it back if you don't have ac power at the pedestal.
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01-15-2019, 11:35 AM
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You need a volt meter or someone who has one.
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01-15-2019, 12:08 PM
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Hello Dutter2, welcome aboard! Hopefully you have your issue resolved by now.
I am not familiar with your particular 5ver, but all TT's and 5ver's electrical systems are fairly similar. Your microwave is on a circuit breaker all by itself. So if the microwave and the various other outlets do not work, it tells me your issue is with the main circuit breaker within the 5ver or at the power post. If you have a 30 amp system usually all the easily accessible outlets are on a single breaker, that is GFI protected in the bathroom. If you have a 50 amp service, you most likely will have multiple outlets on two separate circuits.
Have you verified your other 120 volt items such as your air conditioner work? If they do not, you most likely tripped the main breaker. I have done this many times running a single space heater and the microwave, or other heavy power load items.
My breakers are hard to tell when they are tripped. I would start by flipping each breaker off/on to rest them. I would then go outside and flip the breaker at the shore power pole. I have tripped the shore power post breaker many, many times, they often get weak from abuse, age, and environment.
If that does not fix the issue, I would start by checking for power at the shore power post. If you have a 30 amp to 15 amp plug adaptor, unplug the 5ver, and plug it in and plug in some random electrical device and see if it works. If it does not work, inquire with the campground, as they may have tripped a main fuse upstream. I have seen this a couple times, usually during the hot summer months.
As for running heavy draw electrical items. You really have to turn off one item before using another. When we are out in really cold weather, I slip an extension cord into my TT, through the slide-out wall, and plug the second heater into it, and power it directly from the shore power 20 amp outlet.
Let us know what the issue was, or if you need some additional help.
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01-15-2019, 12:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicr
Johnny Lighting IS correct! A GFCI has NOTHING to do with over current. GFCI's fall under very strict design and functionality purposes defined by the NFPA. Their sole function is for the protection of personnel. Excuse the expert in me I've been in the electrical industry for the last 35 years.
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No excuse necessary! 12 years in the IBEW and I've seen GFCI's trip from many different circumstances. Such as power being cycled off and back on, not liking specific loads (beard trimmers come to mind for some reason), age, bad connections, etc.
I suspect a tripped breaker here as well and appreciate what GFCI's are designed and intended for but I also know what they are capable of doing.
In this case the best way I can help the OP is by offering all reasonable possibilities of what may have gone wrong so in my opinion the GFCI's should be checked and/or cycled/reset.
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